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Feel different about the Saints. Don’t get me wrong, I will always be a Saints fan.

But, I have lost all my confidence. I watched my team grow since 1969. I enjoyed watching my Saints play at a high level, However, now that Brees is gone, I am worried we will go back to being, “In the pack”.

I seriously doubt we will fall to the cellar. But, can we stay at the top, now that Brees is gone. I just wanted to see how others feel. I guess I worry too much.
 

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Why does everyone seem to forget that this team has lost only 1 game in the 9 Brees has missed with a perpetual game manager and another pretend quarterback? If Payton can with that at QB, then he certainly can with Winston.

Losing Brees helps this team more than it hurts it, imo. He was more of a detriment than he was a help at the end.
 

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I thought everyone loved the ironmike years. Kidding, that and 2005 is about the only time i felt that there was no hope as a fan. In 31 years
of watching thats really good. Not too many teams can claim that they were consistently that good in that span.
 
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To be honest, for me the anticipation for the new season is greater than it has been for a long time. Don't get me wrong, I know very well what Brees has done for this team and how incredibly valuable he was, especially because of his mental strength. He was just THE born leader.
But I think we'll see a much more explosive offense this year. Brees was fantastic at picking up and wearing down a defense, but it's going to be a lot harder for Defenses to defend us this year because Winston is going to throw some bombs and that part of the game was painfully missing the last few years. There will be a lot fewer check-downs and it will also be easier for Kamara from the backfield if Defenses have to defend significantly more space than just 15 to 20 yards from the line of scrimmage.
If we nail the draft at least a bit and we get 1-2 weapons in the offense - a speedster in the receiving corps would be almost a MUST - then I think we have the firepower to be in the mix for a playoff spot. Winston just has to show that he's grown up and matured. That's the biggest question mark in my opinion.
 

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I thought everyone loved the ironmike years. Kidding, that and 2005 is about the only time i felt that there was no hope as a fan. In 31 years
of watching thats really good. Not too many teams can claim that they were consistently that good in that span.
All I know as a fan since 80 ish, is that the SP DB era has been by far the most successful. Thankful for these last 15 or so years no matter what comes next.
 

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To be honest, for me the anticipation for the new season is greater than it has been for a long time. Don't get me wrong, I know very well what Brees has done for this team and how incredibly valuable he was, especially because of his mental strength. He was just THE born leader.
But I think we'll see a much more explosive offense this year. Brees was fantastic at picking up and wearing down a defense, but it's going to be a lot harder for Defenses to defend us this year because Winston is going to throw some bombs and that part of the game was painfully missing the last few years. There will be a lot fewer check-downs and it will also be easier for Kamara from the backfield if Defenses have to defend significantly more space than just 15 to 20 yards from the line of scrimmage.
If we nail the draft at least a bit and we get 1-2 weapons in the offense - a speedster in the receiving corps would be almost a MUST - then I think we have the firepower to be in the mix for a playoff spot. Winston just has to show that he's grown up and matured. That's the biggest question mark in my opinion.
Totally agree we need a speed guy at WR. Deonte has the speed but will not make it as a WR imo, he will stay banged up if we continue to try and utilize him anywhere except returns.
 

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As Saints fans we had to know this was coming. We had a hall of fame QB and we should feel blessed if we stay “in the pack” without replacing him with at least a franchise QB.
 

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My feeling is; MEH!

Take ‘em or leave ‘em. Do not really care, one way or the other at this point. I am sure my sentiments will change, once the season starts. Not sure though. Weird vibe.
 

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For probably the first time since 2006 I don't have Super Bowl expectations this year. I feel like we're fighting for a wild card.
Yup. This is the end-all-be all statement. Let's all just come back on draft day. We will move up to select a random long snapper from Utah State and you/me/we will say, "YES! We back, baby, we back!" LOL
 

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I'm excited. There's more uncertainty about the season. Each win will be more exciting, and each loss more disappointing.
 

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Why does everyone seem to forget that this team has lost only 1 game in the 9 Brees has missed with a perpetual game manager and another pretend quarterback? If Payton can with that at QB, then he certainly can with Winston.

Losing Brees helps this team more than it hurts it, imo. He was more of a detriment than he was a help at the end.
Your last paragraph is ridiculous. The D played out of its mind the games Brees didn’t play and can’t nor sustain that. The D will take a major step back this year. Winston is not a leader nor can he carry a team. Remove Winston and insert HOF QB and win super bowl. That’s what Tampa did. Why do you think all of a sudden he can carry the Saints. You guys that think SP can miraculously change Winston into Brees like are living in an alternate reality. Winston was a pic machine in camp last year and that’s from Deuce and Strief’s mouth. We need to draft our future QB this year or we are going to be trying to stay at .500 the next few years if lucky
 

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The Saints will likely have a year or two of average pack to the pack seasons (8-9 or 9-8). This due to a combination of kicking the can down the road, a lowering of the cap from Covid, and not having a sure starter to replace Brees. Taysom is a great general purpose player in various roles but not a franchise caliber QB in my opinion. Winston might be but I haven't seen that from him yet though if Payton wants to give him a shot this year then I am o.k. with it to see what he can do in with Payton for a year. I just have questions about his maturity and ability to be the leader of the team.
Teams have had us pretty much figured out for several years now and now they won't, plus the improved ability to stretch the field should help but I tend to agree with Merls assessment.

Let me also add that If I were to choose a starting qb right now I would go with Taysom and have Winston come in about 10 - 15 plays a game to allow taysom to do his thAng
 
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Your last paragraph is ridiculous. The D played out of its mind the games Brees didn’t play and can’t nor sustain that. The D will take a major step back this year. Winston is not a leader nor can he carry a team. Remove Winston and insert HOF QB and win super bowl. That’s what Tampa did. Why do you think all of a sudden he can carry the Saints. You guys that think SP can miraculously change Winston into Brees like are living in an alternate reality. Winston was a pic machine in camp last year and that’s from Deuce and Strief’s mouth. We need to draft our future QB this year or we are going to be trying to stay at .500 the next few years if lucky
I feel differently about the Saints this year, I'm actually excited for change at the QB position. I'm hoping SP continues the run-heavy play calling, we do have some holes on D, hopefully we draft a couple of contributors on that side of the ball. I also think we will add a few lower cost FA's as well.

I couldn't disagree with the Winston part of this post more. If he wins the starting job (and I think he will) then it is not necessarily how much you trust Winston to become a quality QB, it is how much you trust SP can develop him into one. He doesn't have to be a 2017 or earlier version of Brees, he just needs to become a better version of himself, if SP can help him do that I think we will win plenty of games this year....
 

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I feel differently about the Saints this year, I'm actually excited for change at the QB position. I'm hoping SP continues the run-heavy play calling, we do have some holes on D, hopefully we draft a couple of contributors on that side of the ball. I also think we will add a few lower cost FA's as well.

I couldn't disagree with the Winston part of this post more. If he wins the starting job (and I think he will) then it is not necessarily how much you trust Winston to become a quality QB, it is how much you trust SP can develop him into one. He doesn't have to be a 2017 or earlier version of Brees, he just needs to become a better version of himself, if SP can help him do that I think we will win plenty of games this year....
Lets just hope. I still feel we need to draft a quarterback. But I am not interested in giving up the farm to get one either. I watched Winston interception video on you tube and it is scaring me. Some of the throws I can understand but there are many that was horrible. But I am giving Winston a chance.
 

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I was passionate about my Saints when Dave Wilson was quarterback....after that nothing phases me....black and gold with hope and a smile, win or lose, whoever throws the ball
Back then, just having the Saints go 8-8 was the equivalent of unrealistic optimism, naive, over-hyped displaced sense of expectation that the next season will be where we "make the next logical step forwards". For an entire generation of Saints fans from late 60's-mid 80's, just hoping for a winning season was wonderful, much less making a WC berth.

I honestly believe the late Mecom ownership years(1982-84), may have been the most agonizing, frustrating period in our team's history for Saints fans over age of 50 living back then. One of the main differences between the 1970's Saints teams and early 1980's Mecom-owned Saints teams were while the 1970's squads were pathetic, hopeless, rudderless teams with inconsistent chemistry, lack of depth, and cocaine-addled rosters, by the early 80's, we began drafting better players-consistently, particularly on defense and special teams, and at RB and because of that, we began looking like a team that could be something soon..if we improved at maybe 3-4 key positions. I don't think that SI or most other sports writers, pundits of analysts ever came close to forming that perception during Manning's tenure, even when he was at the head of a potent, high-scoring offense in 1978-79, our defense, especially vs. the pass was abysmal and jokingly if I could use a Premier League soccer joke since you're from UK, Geldo, our collective defense was so porous and so ineffective due to Nolan's insistence on sticking with a complex, way over-complicated Flex defense, it was akin to Arsenal or Manchester United suddenly playing entire league seasons periodically swapping goal keepers throughout the game and never settling on one and the defensive skills, abilities, individual tenacity of players on the roster are so bad, uncoordinated,.and constantly off-balanced, you could literally have a team full of All-Star, superhero larger-then-life stars like David Beckham, and Lionel Messi on your squad and you barely be lucky to go above .500.

Scoring the most goals gets all the attention, love, the synchronized, cult-like screams in unison of 80,000 soccer fans at Tottenham or Wembley in the English Premier League, but effective, aggressive, tenacious defense still wins games (and championships) in the Premier League as much as it does in the NFL. Or wins World Cups or Olympic Gold medals for countries who are given new, fresh opportunities every 4 years.
 

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Back then, just having the Saints go 8-8 was the equivalent of unrealistic optimism, naive, over-hyped displaced sense of expectation that the next season will be where we "make the next logical step forwards". For an entire generation of Saints fans from late 60's-mid 80's, just hoping for a winning season was wonderful, much less making a WC berth.
I'm repeating myself here but when I was a kid, you never expected a win but we would always go for the box score to see if a RB or a WR got 100 yds or close....it was rare when both happened....for a llllllooooonnnnnnnggggggg time....
 

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I have been getting a Kerry Collins/Jim Everett vibe from the QB position and sometimes fear a Billy Joel situation. But other than concerns about filling the defensive holes correctly in the draft, I still feel pretty good overall about the team.

This place is slipping.
 

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