Don’t you dare blame Jameis (4 Viewers)

[BayouSAINTJoe]

STATS LIE, ESPECIALLY IN FOOTBALL

Stats only lie when you have something personal against the person accumulating the stats...otherwise they don't...unless they're negative stats against the guy you love...then those are definitely lies...unless they can be attributed back to someone else that you don't like then those lies become truth.

Long story short, stats are stats, but sometimes they arent stats until they are stats...but even those stats are taken with a grain of salt becuase of the statistical nature of those stats.

 

[clunda]

Wasn't Winston's fault. Carmichael and the Oline mixed with Carr holding onto the ball too long.

really brah. were you distracted by all his 3 play drives ?

 

[Bayouboy]

I certainly don't blame Jameis, but his performance off the bench is why we signed Derrick Carr. Dude is not a starting caliber QB in the NFL.

 

[2024InjuryApocalypse]

Yeah.. people are too dug in on this side or that side of everything Jameis and it's pretty annoying from all of them. Too many personal vendettas and crap caught up in all of it.
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Jameis shouldn't be the one to shoulder the blame for this loss but I do think losing Carr affected the team mentally to a point that in and of itself is a big reason as to why we lost.

Obviously we had not been playing great on offense but we were 2-0 and up 17 to 0 at Lambeau.. all of us could feel that it was playing out different than last year even with the offensive line issues and all.. and then bam, Carr gets injured and we are immediately back to about where we were last year when we found ways to lose these games.

The air went out of our sails and things started spinning in the wrong direction when we didn't have the captain at the helm whom the team believed in.

We could have and should have still won that game.. but we didn't and it's hard to disconnect it from the Carr injury.

I think teams often struggle for the rest of the game when the starting QB goes out regardless of who the backup is. Teddy went 5-0 as a starter in 2019 but when he had to come in for Drew middgame in week 2 vs. LAR he looked bad and the team looked deflated. I don't think it's entirely a "the team just doesn't believe in Jameis and knows he's the worst and boy they all would've just magically played better if Taysom played." (not saying that's exactly what YOU said but that seems to be the sentiment among some).

I also disagree that "we could all feel that it was playing out different than last year." Winning close games involves a degree of luck. We got lucky Tannehill missed two wide open receivers vs. TEN. If you play a ton of close games, your luck is going to even out eventually even if you go on a run like MIN did last season (if you include their playoff loss they have now lost 4 close games in a row after winning 12 in a row). We've played 3 one-score games and are 2-1 in them. That's a fairly normal degree of luck. And last but not least, I disagree with your statement b/c our OL was so obviously terrible and when you have a terrible OL, you're just biding time until your QB finally gets hurt.

 

[jahsoul357]

Yep. Expect 10 sacks next week. Winston haa horrible pocket presence and caves under pressure. It won't be pretty

I don't know if you noticed but a lot of people that understands football has kind of conceded that Winston has better pocket presense/awareness that Carr. I don't know what you have been looking at the past few weeks to think otherwise.
And caving under pressure? Is that an eye test thing because results don't match that?

really brah. were you distracted by all his 3 play drives ?

He only had one more than Carr, with 3 of Carr's 5 drives totaling 3 total yards of offense.

 

[Brandon13]

I think teams often struggle for the rest of the game when the starting QB goes out regardless of who the backup is. Teddy went 5-0 as a starter in 2019 but when he had to come in for Drew middgame in week 2 vs. LAR he looked bad and the team looked deflated. I don't think it's entirely a "the team just doesn't believe in Jameis and knows he's the worst and boy they all would've just magically played better if Taysom played." (not saying that's exactly what YOU said but that seems to be the sentiment among some).

I also disagree that "we could all feel that it was playing out different than last year." Winning close games involves a degree of luck. We got lucky Tannehill missed two wide open receivers vs. TEN. If you play a ton of close games, your luck is going to even out eventually even if you go on a run like MIN did last season (if you include their playoff loss they have now lost 4 close games in a row after winning 12 in a row). We've played 3 one-score games and are 2-1 in them. That's a fairly normal degree of luck. And last but not least, I disagree with your statement b/c our OL was so obviously terrible and when you have a terrible OL, you're just biding time until your QB finally gets hurt.

That's fair. And yeah, I wasn't at all trying to imply anything in regard to Taysom. Jameis didn't stink up the joint and the gutless coaching and oline are the most direct culprits to point to for that loss. We should have never taken that delay instead of attempting the field goal and acting like a 17-point lead was good enough.

 

[2024InjuryApocalypse]

That's fair. And yeah, I wasn't at all trying to imply anything in regard to Taysom. Jameis didn't stink up the joint and the gutless coaching and oline are the most direct culprits to point to for that loss. We should have never taken that delay instead of attempting the field goal and acting like a 17-point lead was good enough.

I think punting was a defensible decision there. On grass with a 17-0 lead and your defense playing great, I can see trying to pin the Packers and force them to go 95 yards (Hedley did pin them inside the 10) instead of only going 45 if Grupe misses a 55 yarder on a sheetty grass field.

My bigger issue is us failing to score the 3rd TD at the end of the first half when we were inside the 10.

 

[Saints 4 life]

really brah. were you distracted by all his 3 play drives ?

Get a tissue, brah.

 

[Brandon13]

I think punting was a defensible decision there. On grass with a 17-0 lead and your defense playing great, I can see trying to pin the Packers and force them to go 95 yards (Hedley did pin them inside the 10) instead of only going 45 if Grupe misses a 55 yarder on a sheetty grass field.

My bigger issue is us failing to score the 3rd TD at the end of the first half when we were inside the 10.

I get that the punt can be defended based upon how the game was playing out to that point.. but still, it's very much a playing not to lose move as opposed to keeping the foot on the gas to score more points as was needed in the end.

I know the field sucked but unless they just thought there's no chance he can make it for some reason I feel like a 55 yard field goal is reasonable enough to take that shot.

 

[Nonreg]

The people taking up for Jameis are absolutely ludicrous. No Jameis did not lose the game, but he did nothing to help us win ether

Questions we should be asking:
Why has the offensive line suddenly become horrible?
Why were we throwing the ball when all we needed to do was eat the clock?
We never got any leverage after Carr went out; 4/5 punts
Grupe did not lose us the game, even if he made the FG Green Bay still had plenty of time to go down the field and score the TD they eventually got anyway

All we can hope is with a week of gameplanning with Jameis as the QB1, he produces better. We don't even need him to win the games, just manage the game and move the ball.

 

[jahsoul357]

Questions we should be asking:
Why has the offensive line suddenly become horrible?

The offensive line has been bad for years. Most fans only started noticing when Carr got under center, as Dalton and Winston got the blame for the sacks last season

Why were we throwing the ball when all we needed to do was eat the clock?

Sneaky Pete

We never got any leverage after Carr went out; 4/5 punts

Play calling and penalties had a lot to do with it but I do believe that Jameis should have ran for the first when he had the chance though.

 

[Nonreg]

The offensive line has been bad for years. Most fans only started noticing when Carr got under center, as Dalton and Winston got the blame for the sacks last season

Sneaky Pete

Play calling and penalties had a lot to do with it but I do believe that Jameis should have ran for the first when he had the chance though.

I disagree with your comment on our offensive line

Armstead / McCoy / Ram were all top of their game less than 5 years ago. Last year and this year they took a huge step backwards.

 

[BoxerJoe]

If stats were stats and numbers don't lie, everyone here would be arguing for Taysom to be next man up with his 7-2 record (the ultimate stat category) as a starter for the Saints. Funny how that isn't the case though.

 

[UFCSaint]

The people taking up for Jameis are absolutely ludicrous. No Jameis did not lose the game, but he did nothing to help us win ether

Questions we should be asking:
Why has the offensive line suddenly become horrible?
Why were we throwing the ball when all we needed to do was eat the clock?
We never got any leverage after Carr went out; 4/5 punts
Grupe did not lose us the game, even if he made the FG Green Bay still had plenty of time to go down the field and score the TD they eventually got anyway

All we can hope is with a week of gameplanning with Jameis as the QB1, he produces better. We don't even need him to win the games, just manage the game and move the ball.

Get ready for clown emojis. But. .. It makes it easier to know who to ignore

 

[jahsoul357]

I disagree with your comment on our offensive line

Armstead / McCoy / Ram were all top of their game less than 5 years ago. Last year and this year they took a huge step backwards.

Actually, 2021, the offensive line took a step back because they couldn't stay healthy. Our O-line play has been bad a few years now.