Election Aftermath Thread (1 Viewer)

[gboudx]

I was going to vote for Kinky, until I watched the debate. Couldn't bring myself to do it after that so I voted for Bell.

Prior to the debate, I wasn't casting my vote for anyone yet. After the debate, I ruled out Perry, Kinky and Grandma. I was gonna vote for Bell, but decided to go Libertarian with Werner. I just couldn't get a feel for Bell and what he really stood for. I would like to have seen 2 debates and having James Werner included.

 

[CT Saints Fan]

That's fascinating.

You know what's really fascinating? What's REALLY interesting?

That study is from 1991 discussing the first Bush's tax increase. It was followed by more tax increases......and then the longest period of sustained economic growth ever experienced. Ever

Throughout all of economic history, this theory holds true. The boom in the 90s were paper profits from the dot-com boom. And that "longest period of sustained economic growth ever experienced" busted just as fast.

Look at the effect of Bush II's tax cuts - record tax revenues generated.

 

[DadsDream]

TIME TO IMPEACH!!

(Caution: Strong Language)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2633472

 

[TPS]

>>I disliked Howard Dean. I felt he was one of those people who was inherently destructive in the political process that I talked about above. To use a Bush phrase that he turned into an utter joke, I want a "uniter, not a divider"

He was in the primaries, but he had a record to run on that included things often thought to be non-Democratic (historically anyway)- pro death penalty, fiscally responsibility, excellent management skills and such. But the nominating process forces certain elements out of politicians and can sometimes put them into situations they're uncomfortable in. It was high comedy to be sure. But check out what he did in Vermont as a multi-term governor where he was far to the right of the majority of the constituency. Speaking of Vermont, it's also a trip to see Bernie Sanders heading off to the senate. He's a pretty brilliant guy, but it's not every day you see a socialist make it that far up the food chain.

TPS

 

[LSSpam]

Throughout all of economic history, this theory holds true. The boom in the 90s were paper profits from the dot-com boom. And that "longest period of sustained economic growth ever experienced" busted just as fast.

Look at the effect of Bush II's tax cuts - record tax revenues generated.

You can't draw a connection between Bush's tax cuts and the economy rebounding and then dismiss a connection between the Bush and Clinton tax hikes and the sustained economic boom.

Either taxes has some connection to the economy, in which case the tax increases of the early 90's contributed to the relative growth of the economy, or taxes has no connection, in which case a tax increase has no effect.

The boom of the 90s was not all dot-com. It was bio-industry, housing, manufacturing (this was the "made in America reinessance which brought Nissan, Toyota, etc factories from Japan over here), etc. That it eventually downturned into a recession shortly after Bush got into office (not Bush's fault however) is just represenative of how capitalist economies normally work.

 

[DadsDream]

"As the Lord High Executioner said in The Mikado, 'I have a little list'."
- John Dingell (D-Michigan)

Dingell has announced that he plans investigations into everything from the administration’s response to Hurricane Katrina to energy policy by way of environmental policy, the Food and Drug Administration, port security, nuclear waste management and trade policy.

Like Pelosi, he vows no impeachment of Bush.

TELEGRAPH.CO.UK
Democrats 'have a little list' of investigations
By Alex Massie
Last Updated: 10:23am GMT 08/11/2006

The Democrats' takeover of the House of Representatives will give the party more power on Capitol Hill than it has enjoyed since 1994, including control of powerful committees, responsibilities for the federal budget and the opportunity to investigate the White House.

That raises the prospect of what conservatives fear will be a "blizzard of subpoenas" being issued.

READ MORE
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/11/08/wuspols308.xml

 

[LSSpam]

Well, honestly DadsDream, I can't say i'm opposed to anything that increases transperency in government.

 

[TPS]

CT,

tax receipts as a percentage of the GDP ignores the cost of a) red ink spending; b) decline in lifestyle. The wealthiest taxpayers got a little too much. Clinton proved that you could marginally affect the wealthiest Americans with tax increases while benefitting the middle class, (a class we need in order for this country to succeed btw), in ways that help offset increases to other elements of our personal budgets (education, healthcare, etc.). But if they extend the cuts and bring the budget back into balance, and the President has a key part in that, then we could be okay. As for your assertion on it all being "paper" and a bust as quick as it boomed, that's crap. It took a while for an extremly overvalued market to weed out the pretenders and such, but strong companies relating to technology, the internet and related merchandising have emerged to take their places. The NASDAQ is mostly back, and while many of those companies failed, there are thousands of new ones on the horizon. The line you are using is a talking point was only legitimate for about 2 or 3 years. Seriously. It's out of date.

TPS

 

[TPS]

>>Dingell has announced that he plans investigations into everything from the administration’s response to Hurricane Katrina to energy policy by way of environmental policy, the Food and Drug Administration, port security, nuclear waste management and trade policy.

Waxman will also bury the administration in mountains of paper. This is a good thing. There are legitimate issues (as Mr. Dingell noted) that the President and Vice President need to answer for. While they will mostly stonewall those investigations and claim executive privilege, they better hire some extra counsel, and quick. They did the "people's" work behind the people's backs and out of sight. They buried records from the 1980's for another 50 years. These people believe they can do anything they want without recourse. Time's up. And while these investigations won't really get anywhere, they will unleash a wall of subpoenas that will stretch to the moon. Someone like SoonerJim who lives for political bloodletting is probably sitting there at his medical desk a few inches higher than normal.

:rock:

TPS

 

[DadsDream]

In a release peppered with direct quotes from the New York Times, BBC, AP and Washington Times, the UN expresses glee:

NEW YORK SUN
November 08, 2006
U.N. Celebrates Republican Loss?
From the desk of Kofi Annan's spokesman:

From: Stephane Dujarric
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 8:59 AM
Subject: Spokesman's Morning Headlines -- Wednesday

EXERPT:
Everything is different now for President Bush. The era of one-party Republican rule in Washington ended with a crash in yesterday's midterm elections, putting a proudly unyielding president on notice that the voters want change, especially on the war in Iraq. (NYT analysis)

READ MORE
http://www.shinesforall.com/archives/2006/11/un_celebrates_r.html

 

[Sandman]

I was going to vote for Kinky, until I watched the debate. Couldn't bring myself to do it after that so I voted for Bell.

To me, voting for Bell was just like voting for Perry. Politics as usual. That just sends the message that the parties (Republican and Democrat) can count on you no matter what trash they throw up there. Make no mistake, Bell and Perry are trash.

 

[tomwaits]

Best thing that could happen for this country. Gridlock rules.

+1

I love partisan politics. The fewer laws these morans make, the better. When ever they pass a law, it usually just means more taxes and less freedom for us.

 

[Saint by the Bay]

In a release peppered with direct quotes from the New York Times, BBC, AP and Washington Times, the UN expresses glee:

NEW YORK SUN
November 08, 2006
U.N. Celebrates Republican Loss?
From the desk of Kofi Annan's spokesman:

From: Stephane Dujarric
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 8:59 AM
Subject: Spokesman's Morning Headlines -- Wednesday

EXERPT:
Everything is different now for President Bush. The era of one-party Republican rule in Washington ended with a crash in yesterday's midterm elections, putting a proudly unyielding president on notice that the voters want change, especially on the war in Iraq. (NYT analysis)

READ MORE
http://www.shinesforall.com/archives/2006/11/un_celebrates_r.html

Honestly I think everyone not a diehard Republican is expressing some sort of satisfaction here. Most folks realize there needs to be some semblance of checks and balances in this country and that a lap dog Congress is just not good for America and by extension the world.

 

[DadsDream]

Well, honestly DadsDream, I can't say i'm opposed to anything that increases transperency in government.

Essentially, it'll be a "Mark Time, March" or "Run-In-Place" exercise for the remaining two years of Bush's tenure.

I see very little real progress being made with such investigations.

In the end, these investigations will simply be part of the Dem's ammunition-gathering process for the 2008 elections. Nothing more. Nothing less.

 

[DadsDream]

TPS
And while these investigations won't really get anywhere, they will unleash a wall of subpoenas that will stretch to the moon. Someone like SoonerJim who lives for political bloodletting is probably sitting there at his medical desk a few inches higher than normal.

:rock:

TPS

I completely agree. This a truely amazing day...me agreeing with TPS.