Even up to the last few hours... (1 Viewer)

[Saintshizzle]

...the McCain camp is STILL trying to dig-up dirt and toss it up against the wall. I was really hoping that this guy try to regain some of his dignity. He sees the results of all the other feces-tossed, but still continues.

What is the definition of insanity again?

 

[Webmeistro]

Voting for Obama.

 

[APSaintsFan]

Trying for the Hail Mary even right now. It's 1 second left in the game and he is just heaving it.

If he wins this I will not believe it.

AP

 

[Saintshizzle]

Voting for Obama.

Yes, I voted for Obama, but I used to REALLY like McCain.

 

[mister pc]

whats he got this time, something new or just more Wright and Ayers?

 

[Scott B]

the nerve of him, particularly since the Obama Camp has run such a mud-free campaign

 

[Saintman2884]

Shizzle, I know you're a pretty solid Democrat and Obama supporter, but believe me Mccain is nowhere near as bad as some in his party are. At least Mccain has said some positive things to Barack in this campaign while his predecessors would not have noticed him at the door to say hello. Mccain has never said he was perfect and he never claimed to be the end all's and be-all's but at least some in the Democratic Party can respect him for his military service and his past bi-partisanship.

That being said, Mccain has done some pretty dirty things in this campaign and I will not excuse it. He messed up and will have to take his medicine for it by losing this election. And this is coming from a man who will vote for Obama tomorrow.

 

[billinms]

That being said, Mccain has done some pretty dirty things in this campaign and I will not excuse it. He messed up and will have to take his medicine for it by losing this election. And this is coming from a man who will vote for Obama tomorrow.

McCain would have lost regardless. Bush has almost guaranteed a dem victory, not to take anything away from an outstanding campaign by Obama. And this coming from a man who will vote for neither.

 

[Saintman2884]

and that is where the rubber meets the road, doesn't it, billimns. Try being in Mccain shoes if you could. He has to follow and suck up to a man he secretly probably hates and resents but who is never the less the leader of his party, he has to be nice and be as congenial to a man who had a failed presidency of epic proportions. and yet he has to make due on his own.

Tell me people how does he do it? How do you win an election under those conditions if at all or even stay close?

Because you cannot. Period people. Bush is the reason why Mccain is suffering and why he will lose. Not bashing Obama I like his spunk and poise, but all he has to do is point to Bush and paint Mccain to him. Easy as one,two, three.

Mccain can't get to first base because he never could get past the first two strikes in the batter's box. some may downplay it but the truth of a bad presidency will hurt you no matter what you may want to change and how different you may be.

It cost the Dems in 1968 and it will cost the Reps in 2008. Two different wars, a very similar mindset

 

[Saint by the Bay]

the nerve of him, particularly since the Obama Camp has run such a mud-free campaign

I know you're being sarcastic but they really have for the most part. I think that has more to do with being in the lead than anything else. They made comparisons to Bush, that was their big gun. By Presidential campaign standards that's patty cake.

The McCain campaign has not been that bad though. The problem is all they did was go negative. There was very little positive or uplifting. You can't have your campaign be 70-80% negative messages. However, he kept race out of it and it was really people suffering from anti Obama hysteria (the TRC generation) that did the gutter diving. The McCain campaign was pretty mild as far as Presidential campaigns go.

This campaign taught me McCain is still a good man, just not with the temperment or judgement to be President.

 

[dtc]

Has anyone here ever considered the potential outcome of spending 9 months digging with your hands into the overflow leaked from a broken sewer?

 

[Saintshizzle]

Has anyone here ever considered the potential outcome of spending 9 months digging with your hands into the overflow leaked from a broken sewer?

Yes, I have, which is why I made this post. You get into that stuff and the stench is hard to wash-off.

SBTB, McCain wants to do the right thing, but the thought of winning soured him.

EDIT: Better put, it was the thought of losing that soured him. Either way, he has lost much wasta...even with John Lewis (who gets along with everyone).

 

[philipkw]

.........McCain is still a good man, just not with the temperment or judgement to be President.

Agree 100%. The Palin selection along with the reaction to the financial crisis were disturbing. Hopefully all this ugliness will be forgotten and the dude can return to the senate and return to the McCain of yore.

 

[SAINTSFAN]

Agree 100%. The Palin selection along with the reaction to the financial crisis were disturbing. Hopefully all this ugliness will be forgotten and the dude can return to the senate and return to the McCain of yore.

Do you really think McCain chose Palin? I am certain that was thrust upon him by the Republican Party. It ended up being his downfall IMO.

 

[Shawn]

I know you're being sarcastic but they really have for the most part. I think that has more to do with being in the lead than anything else. They made comparisons to Bush, that was their big gun. By Presidential campaign standards that's patty cake.

The McCain campaign has not been that bad though. The problem is all they did was go negative. There was very little positive or uplifting. You can't have your campaign be 70-80% negative messages. However, he kept race out of it and it was really people suffering from anti Obama hysteria (the TRC generation) that did the gutter diving. The McCain campaign was pretty mild as far as Presidential campaigns go.

This campaign taught me McCain is still a good man, just not with the temperment or judgement to be President.

This is spot on, IMHO.

I think there is a distinction to be made about "slinging mud." I don't happen to think there is anything wrong with attacking your opponent based on their politics and positions. From where I'm sitting, that is mostly what Obama has done to McCain. It's not mudslinging to associate him with George Bush; on the flip side, that's also why the accusations of Obama being a socialist are fair game...pretty idiotic to me, but still, that's just from my point of view. They are political attacks.

Where the nastiness comes is the nonsense about his associations with Ayers for example. I think it's character assasination of the worst kind. And most of that kind of dirt has been flung by McCain and Palin.

Be that as it may, it's been a relatively clean campaign. McCain never brought race into it, for example, and even the dirt he did fling wasn't as bad as we've seen in the last 12 years. For those of you who think Obama ran a dirty campaign, I'd remind you that there was plenty of dirt that could have been thrown at McCain...from his dubious affiliation to the Keating scandal...to the completely untouched issue of Cindy McCain and her prescription drug problems, as well as the connections that got her a nice get-out-of-jail-free card. And there was more, but anyone that's been alive for 72 years is going to have more vulnerabilities, no matter who they are.

Still, McCain lost me becaues almost all of his campaign has been geared towards tearing down Obama. He's done a poor job for making a case for himself, and done a poor job of instructing about his vision for the future.