Ex-Astros P Mike Fiers says Astros used center-field camera to steal signs (Update: MLB issues punishment) MERGED (1 Viewer)

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It all seems bizarre to me and I don't see how the evidence here was any clearer than the bountygate "evidence".

You have one disgruntled released player, Mike Fiers, who absolutely couldn't hit the broadside of a barn in 2017 making the primary accusation. Then some weird accusation that involves a garbage can, a bat and a video camera (which sounds like the makings of a scooby doo trap).

No I don't buy it. I've been an astros fan since the 70s. I've followed this team. To know more I think I'd need the 50 thousand page report.

My first take is that Jim Crane is a cheapskate who rode the Stros to massive profits under Hinch and Ludnow and now wants to take his chips off the table. This is just an excuse for him to fold the team. It's a shame too because that 2017 WS team was dam good players.

And yes, great and crappy teams have "stolen signs" since the dawn of baseball, just like all football teams have informal incentives. Thier biggest mistake was beating MLB's beloved Yanqueens twice in a championship series.
First thing I thought when I heard this was that Crane will trade off assets to recoup draft picks and he will say he's going to build another champion the way he built the first one, while saving money along the way.
 

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Astros and Expos playing for championships doing things the same way that made them cellar dwellers for 35 years

Switching league and changing name and now you great

Dodgers, Yankees, braves traded every asset they had and built through farm system twice in same span
 

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Unpopular opnion: MLB should just put an earbud and mic in the pitcher and catcher. And maybe the manager during certain times. Screw this whole "stealing signs is OK as long as you do it in a certain way". And you wouldn't need mound visits, providing the speedup the MLB has been looking for
 

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Interesting take from Florio on the gambling angle. Aside from cheating I’d think that incompetent and/or suspicious officiating should also scare all pro leagues, the NFL being the worst currently.
 

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the difference between this and bountygate is that this actually happened.
Exactly what I was going to add. Seems like the sign steeling really did happen. I think the MLB has more evidence than a vague note handwritten on a napkin given to them by a disgruntled former employee.
 

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Unpopular opnion: MLB should just put an earbud and mic in the pitcher and catcher. And maybe the manager during certain times. Screw this whole "stealing signs is OK as long as you do it in a certain way". And you wouldn't need mound visits, providing the speedup the MLB has been looking for
I get what you're saying, but this could affect base stealing, especially for a right handed pitcher who has their back towards 1st base during his delivery. It could remove the art of deception from the runner on 1st if the pitcher could be told about what's going on at 1st base. I'm not saying it can't be done, it needs to be thoroughly thought out.
 

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The difference is the Astros actually did this. MLB didn't make up a charge in an attempt to lessen the damage of a pending lawsuit like the NFL did.
As an Astros fan, I am saddened by this, but even more that the team did it all in the first place. And bad enough that they were studying their signs, but then the whole alerting the batter on individual pitches by banging out audio signals among the crowd noise. Just bush league terrible.
 

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the difference between this and bountygate is that this actually happened.
Bruh! It's sad that this has to even be pointed out. It should be obvious at this point, and I am a little disappointed that there is even a thread comparing the two.

As for implying the punishment is harsh because "everyone does it," that's not good enough. First, prove that everyone is doing it. Secondly, when we prove everyone is/was doing it, then punish them as well. It's not enough to hold off punishment against one team because we speculate everyone is doing it.
 

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Well if you aren’t cheating then you aren’t trying. Honestly for some odd reason this doesn’t upset me nearly as much as Bountygate did With the Saints.

If steroids didn’t put MLB out of business this scandal won’t either. And other teams were doing it. Cora took this little operation to Boston with him
 

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