N/S Falcons and Julio closing in on new deal (1 Viewer)

[Meachemdat]

Their defense brings back a healthy Ricardo Allen and Keanu Neal and allows Kazee to
shift over to NB (he played their in college) where’s he a big upgrade over Brian Poole. Plus 9 picks in a loaded Dline draft and I think the Falcons still add a couple via FA. Too early to tell.

Don’t mind the OL pick ups. Two 320+ G’s is nice a chance from the 295-300 G’s the Falcons usually have. Both can be cut after two years worst case scenario.

Remember that conversation we had last off-season when I said your team had no depth and it would hold you back?
Well the same players that were forced to start due to injury are now your starters in a lot of positions due to cap.
Freeman isn't going to hold up for a full year and behind him you have?

Aside from Mack your o-line needs a ton of work.
Your d-line is the same minus depth.

You got rid of more of your depth during this off-season and paying your big name guys. This is what happens after you go to a super bowl.
You have nine picks which is good ammunition, but you need to draft o-line, which is something your GM hasn't shown he can do correctly.

 

[faceman]

Their defense brings back a healthy Ricardo Allen and Keanu Neal and allows Kazee to
shift over to NB (he played their in college) where’s he a big upgrade over Brian Poole. Plus 9 picks in a loaded Dline draft and I think the Falcons still add a couple via FA. Too early to tell.

Don’t mind the OL pick ups. Two 320+ G’s is nice a chance from the 295-300 G’s the Falcons usually have. Both can be cut after two years worst case scenario.

I believe the Packers have improved as well. Losing a declining Clay Matthews isn't a big deal imo. They signed
Preston Smith and ZaDarius Smith to improve their pass rush. Adrian Amos is an upgrade at safety and Billy
Turner is a very good Guard. If their O-line stays healthy, I believe they will be serious contenders for the NFCN title

 

[Ball4life66]

Secondary is still trash. Falcon drafting has been super unimpressive.

With Allen / Neal healthy the secondary is very good. Drafting is unimpressive based on what? Falcons have done well drafting since Quinn came in 2015.

 

[saint_drago]

Their defense brings back a healthy Ricardo Allen and Keanu Neal and allows Kazee to
shift over to NB (he played their in college) where’s he a big upgrade over Brian Poole. Plus 9 picks in a loaded Dline draft and I think the Falcons still add a couple via FA. Too early to tell.

Don’t mind the OL pick ups. Two 320+ G’s is nice a chance from the 295-300 G’s the Falcons usually have. Both can be cut after two years worst case scenario.

I think the falcons will be better. Probably much better. With all the players they'll have coming back from injury I think they'll be back to around 10 wins. I just don't see them ever going back to the Super Bowl with Matty Ice.

 

[Meachemdat]

I believe the Packers have improved as well. Losing a declining Clay Matthews isn't a big deal imo. They signed
Preston Smith and ZaDarius Smith to improve their pass rush. Adrian Amos is an upgrade at safety and Billy
Turner is a very good Guard. If their O-line stays healthy, I believe they will be serious contenders for the NFCN title

They created an amazing team by not making big splash free agency moves, then got rid of their GM and started making huge free agency moves then proceeded to go 6-9-1 and then fired their head coach and hired a guy who's greatest achievement was coaching a 25th ranked offense.

They have a TON to improve on to make it to the NFC title game. Not saying it can't be done, but I see a huge leadership problem with that team.

 

[soggymoss]

MT is going to get what he gets whether the Falcons overpay Julio or not. I just want them to have close to $50 million per year going to Ryan and Jones.

Thomas knows with each reciever that gets paid as the highest, his deal will break it by 2+million per year...

Julio signs for 18 per, we could probably get MT at 20, Julio signs for 20 we will have to pay 22.. You can tell hes already thinking about it

 

[Ball4life66]

Remember that conversation we had last off-season when I said your team had no depth and it would hold you back?
Well the same players that were forced to start due to injury are now your starters in a lot of positions due to cap.
Freeman isn't going to hold up for a full year and behind him you have?

Aside from Mack your o-line needs a ton of work.
Your d-line is the same minus depth.

You got rid of more of your depth during this off-season and paying your big name guys. This is what happens after you go to a super bowl.
You have nine picks which is good ammunition, but you need to draft o-line, which is something your GM hasn't shown he can do correctly.

Remember that conversation we had last off-season when I said your team had no depth and it would hold you back?
Well the same players that were forced to start due to injury are now your starters in a lot of positions due to cap.
Freeman isn't going to hold up for a full year and behind him you have?

Aside from Mack your o-line needs a ton of work.
Your d-line is the same minus depth.

You got rid of more of your depth during this off-season and paying your big name guys. This is what happens after you go to a super bowl.
You have nine picks which is good ammunition, but you need to draft o-line, which is something your GM hasn't shown he can do correctly.

The only guy forced to start last year due to injury that will start this year is LB Foye Oluokun. But Foye is a stud and he was a huge steal in the 6th and I’m excited to see he does this year. Kazee will start at Nb but he did lead the league in interceptions and he’s an upgrade over Poole.

We got rid of some depth guys but none are big losses. None of them the Falcons tried to retain.

Jake Matthews is a very good LT and he made the pro bowl this year. Falcons have 4 guys with starting experience at Guard and I think they go RT early in the draft.

DLine depth definitely worries me but expect the Falcons to go heavy there in the draft. We’ll see how they look after the draft.

 

[SaintJ]

Great use of monster guaranteed cash for an empty-numbers guy who is apparently allergic to paint.

Career TD's:
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1	Larry Fitzgerald	116	2004-2018	crd
	Antonio Gates	116	2003-2018	sdg
3	Brandon Marshall	83	2006-2018	6TM
4	Rob Gronkowski	79	2010-2018	nwe
5	Antonio Brown	74	2010-2018	pit
6	Jordy Nelson	72	2008-2018	2TM
7	Jimmy Graham	71	2010-2018	3TM
8	A.J. Green	63	2011-2018	cin
9	Vernon Davis	62	2006-2018	3TM
	Demaryius Thomas	62	2010-2018	2TM
11	Greg Olsen	57	2007-2018	2TM
	Mike Wallace	57	2009-2018	5TM
13	Michael Crabtree	54	2009-2018	3TM
14	Eric Decker	53	2010-2017	3TM
	DeSean Jackson	53	2008-2018	3TM
16	Julio Jones	51	2011-2018	atl
17	Doug Baldwin	49	2011-2018	sea
18	DeAndre Hopkins	47	2013-2018	htx
19	Ben Watson	44	2004-2018	4TM
	Odell Beckham	44	2014-2018	nyg
21	Randall Cobb	41	2011-2018	gnb
	Alshon Jeffery	41	2012-2018	2TM
	Kyle Rudolph	41	2011-2018	min
	https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rec_td_active.htm

For frame of reference, Jimmy Graham has 20 more TDs, and Dez Bryant 20. Lance Moore is only seven behind at 44 career TDs. I'm not paying that kind of money for a guy who's the king of the field between the 20s.

Meanwhile, Quinn will have a new OC, DC and ST coach this year, while Dimitroff turns over the roster yet again. Good luck with that.

 

[Ball4life66]

I think the falcons will be better. Probably much better. With all the players they'll have coming back from injury I think they'll be back to around 10 wins. I just don't see them ever going back to the Super Bowl with Matty Ice.

Matty Ice’s numbers this year

4924 passing yards, 35 TD’s, 7 Int’s, 108.1 QB rating, 69.4 compeletion %

All while being one of the most hit QB’s in the league. He’s the biggest reason they have a shot to get back imo

 

[SaintJ]

Don’t mind the OL pick ups. Two 320+ G’s is nice a chance from the 295-300 G’s the Falcons usually have. Both can be cut after two years worst case scenario.

LMAO at the reasoning. If you're cutting those guys in two years, it means the OL continued to underperform, Quinn's gone and Dimitroff, if he's still there, is churning the roster again. If these guys don't perform, and Alex Mack doesn't discover the fountain of youth (he'll be 34 this summer and was wearing down last year), there won't be a whole lot of time to throw to Jones, or anyone else.

We watched Payton sometimes overspend on toys -- he's learned his lesson. The best thing Atlanta could have done was to trade Jones for picks, and try to instill some strength and toughness into the OL and DL, but Falcons gonna Falcon.

 

[SaintJ]

Matty Ice’s numbers this year

4924 passing yards, 35 TD’s, 7 Int’s, 108.1 QB rating, 69.4 compeletion %

All while being one of the most hit QB’s in the league. He’s the biggest reason they have a shot to get back imo

Great guy IRL. Love him as a person. Lotta on-field talent, too, and a tough kid but....it's just never going to happen.

 

[Ball4life66]

LMAO at the reasoning. If you're cutting those guys in two years, it means the OL continued to underperform, Quinn's gone and Dimitroff, if he's still there, is churning the roster again. If these guys don't perform, and Alex Mack doesn't discover the fountain of youth (he'll be 34 this summer and was wearing down last year), there won't be a whole lot of time to throw to Jones, or anyone else.

We watched Payton sometimes overspend on toys -- he's learned his lesson. The best thing Atlanta could have done was to trade Jones for picks, and try to instill some strength and toughness into the OL and DL, but Falcons gonna Falcon.

My reasoning for liking them has to do with the film I watched. There will be no dead money after cutting them after 2 years was my point there.

Falcons have 9 picks in the draft...they can address OL and DL and still keep their all pro WR.

 

[J.T.]

They should pay Julio $3 million per TD. Over his career, he has averaged 6.375 TD's per year. Eight seasons, 51 TD's.

51/8=6.375.

 

[Dago]

The only guy forced to start last year due to injury that will start this year is LB Foye Oluokun. But Foye is a stud and he was a huge steal in the 6th and I’m excited to see he does this year. Kazee will start at Nb but he did lead the league in interceptions and he’s an upgrade over Poole.

We got rid of some depth guys but none are big losses. None of them the Falcons tried to retain.

Jake Matthews is a very good LT and he made the pro bowl this year. Falcons have 4 guys with starting experience at Guard and I think they go RT early in the draft.

DLine depth definitely worries me but expect the Falcons to go heavy there in the draft. We’ll see how they look after the draft.

so you are saying that the injuries didn't cause a decline in defensive performance and we can expect the same defense that was one of the worst in the NFL last year?

I can live with that

 

[Ball4life66]

so you are saying that the injuries didn't cause a decline in defensive performance and we can expect the same defense that was one of the worst in the NFL last year?

I can live with that

Huh? That’s not at all what I said.