Saintman2884
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RKN, it doesn't and shouldn't make any sense but it might have something to do with the larger public's collective fascination, obsession, equal parts disgust with serial killers, mass murderers, 60s or early 70s radical far left revolutionary groups like the Weather Underground and Black Panthers and their beliefs or exploits have been commercially exploited, ironically, by Hip Hop rappers, the underground culture that surrounded it in its beginning in the 1980s and even more so with Gangsta Rappers of the 90s like Tupac Shakur(both of his parents were Black Panthers, so was his aunt). Weather Underground and the Panthers had chapters that exhorted, tortured, killed, bombed buildings, private residences, businesses, military bases, universities all in the name of social justice causes of the 60s and 70s. To a segment of American society, it gives them a certain kind of cultural street credibility that lingers.
Why do we study charismatic pseudo cult leaders who order their members to kill indiscrimately to speed up the start of a race war their mesmerizing, crazed leader says they'll steer clear of in the desert and once it's all over, the victorious African-Americans will ask them to help create a new, more beneficial society. If you break down Manson's Helter Skelter race war prophecy, he's just vindictive angry racist using LSD and a hodgepodge of New Age philosophy spun together from reading L. Ron Hubbard's Dianetics in prison. Jim Jones, according to his estranged son, Stephen, despite his socialist beliefs, was a closeted bigot who, despite having a large minority following in his ministries in Indiana, Brazil, and then San Francisco, never let African, Asian, or Latino Americans to serve on his senior committees, never really allowed them a genuine leadership role. Stephen Jones also claimed his father struggled and hid his bisexuality from his staff, relatives, and family.
Kray Brothers, UK underworld mob hitmen and fixers, were openly celebrated as cultural icons, sort of roguish, Al Capone-esque counterculture heroes during "Swinging London" era of the mid-late 60s, they were even interviewed and treated akin to celebrities by BBC broadcasters, interviewers, and hosts like they were rock stars. They assaulted, murdered, exhorted, killed, used legitimate businesses like clubs or bars as fronts for gambling, drug-running, money laundering, worked with American Mafia syndicates like Gambino crime family and Mayer Lansky out of Philly and New York. One of the Kray brothers, Ronnie IIRC, was a diagnosed borderline schizophrenic who suffered grandiose delusions and reportedly Reggie, his brother, threatened his clinical psychiatrist while at Broadmoor to sign his release form even though he wasn't cured. Krays tried to murder one of their accountants or associates and after he survived, he turned on them and told Scotland Yard detectives all of their brothers deepest, most insidious secrets.
Why do we still talk about or discuss the hideous exploits of serial killers like Richard Ramirez, Ted Bundy, or Jeffrey Dahmer? It's a small segment of a larger mentality behind why we like horror movies or intense psychodrama, we're repulsed but equally also drawn in by innate alien behavior these type of people exhibit, because perhaps subconsciously some of us believe under right extreme type circumstances, we are just capable of committing some of this same behavior if veneer of law and order and civility broke down and we had unlimited power over life and death to behave in the worst, most despicable sorts of ways to human beings like SS Einzsatgruppen soldiers or SS or Wehrmacht soldiers who worked as guards at Dachau, Buchenwald, Bergen-Belsen, Ravensbruck, Treblinka, Auschwitz-Birkenau, or Sobibor. Most of the former SS or Wehrmacht officers, soldiers, guards, camp commandants who were put on trial at Nuremberg or later war crime trials said they genuinely believed the walking, emaciated corpses of Jews, homosexuals, Social Democrats, Communists, Soviet army POWS, Poles, Czechs, Hungarians, untermenches were "enemies of the state" or "those unworthy of life". Some still held these same convictions being interviewed decades later by BBC documentary film makers who made the World at War series, or subsequent films, or docu-series about rise of Hitler's Third Reich.
Famous forensic psychologist Philip Lombardo after his famous Stanford Prison experiment coined a term called the Lucifer Effect, a socio-behavioral type of expression that explains how seemingly normal, law-abiding citizens of a community or nation can become willing participants in mindless genocide, or slaughter of their neighbors, family members, or anyone a ruling regime defines as "dangerous outsiders", evil out-groups and do it with clear consciences and little regret. Lucifer Effect doesn't just apply to SS Einsatsgruppen murder squads in Eastern Front or occupied France during WWII, it's been applied to Stalin's purging of the Red Army and Communist Party ranks during the 1930s, McCarthyism, Mao's Cultural Revolution of 1966-76, East German citizens living in a highly restrictive spied-upon, secretive police state run by the Stasi for 40 years during GDR's existence. Milligram's "Fear and Obedience" studies earlier on worked around the same premises and came to many of same conclusions Lombardo studies did. Stanley Milligram even admitted on several occasions that by all accounts, him living a quiet, successful, undisturbed life was due to luck, his parents escaped Nazi Germany in mid-30s to New York and the very fact they succeeded while so many potential Jewish immigrants didn't or weren't permitted was fate because IMHO, he should have died like millions of Jews and Nazi purported racial enemies in Auschwitz or Treblinka. I don't share his fatalistic views, I am just repeating words he expressed openly in several interviews made over the course of his academic career.
Why do we study charismatic pseudo cult leaders who order their members to kill indiscrimately to speed up the start of a race war their mesmerizing, crazed leader says they'll steer clear of in the desert and once it's all over, the victorious African-Americans will ask them to help create a new, more beneficial society. If you break down Manson's Helter Skelter race war prophecy, he's just vindictive angry racist using LSD and a hodgepodge of New Age philosophy spun together from reading L. Ron Hubbard's Dianetics in prison. Jim Jones, according to his estranged son, Stephen, despite his socialist beliefs, was a closeted bigot who, despite having a large minority following in his ministries in Indiana, Brazil, and then San Francisco, never let African, Asian, or Latino Americans to serve on his senior committees, never really allowed them a genuine leadership role. Stephen Jones also claimed his father struggled and hid his bisexuality from his staff, relatives, and family.
Kray Brothers, UK underworld mob hitmen and fixers, were openly celebrated as cultural icons, sort of roguish, Al Capone-esque counterculture heroes during "Swinging London" era of the mid-late 60s, they were even interviewed and treated akin to celebrities by BBC broadcasters, interviewers, and hosts like they were rock stars. They assaulted, murdered, exhorted, killed, used legitimate businesses like clubs or bars as fronts for gambling, drug-running, money laundering, worked with American Mafia syndicates like Gambino crime family and Mayer Lansky out of Philly and New York. One of the Kray brothers, Ronnie IIRC, was a diagnosed borderline schizophrenic who suffered grandiose delusions and reportedly Reggie, his brother, threatened his clinical psychiatrist while at Broadmoor to sign his release form even though he wasn't cured. Krays tried to murder one of their accountants or associates and after he survived, he turned on them and told Scotland Yard detectives all of their brothers deepest, most insidious secrets.
Why do we still talk about or discuss the hideous exploits of serial killers like Richard Ramirez, Ted Bundy, or Jeffrey Dahmer? It's a small segment of a larger mentality behind why we like horror movies or intense psychodrama, we're repulsed but equally also drawn in by innate alien behavior these type of people exhibit, because perhaps subconsciously some of us believe under right extreme type circumstances, we are just capable of committing some of this same behavior if veneer of law and order and civility broke down and we had unlimited power over life and death to behave in the worst, most despicable sorts of ways to human beings like SS Einzsatgruppen soldiers or SS or Wehrmacht soldiers who worked as guards at Dachau, Buchenwald, Bergen-Belsen, Ravensbruck, Treblinka, Auschwitz-Birkenau, or Sobibor. Most of the former SS or Wehrmacht officers, soldiers, guards, camp commandants who were put on trial at Nuremberg or later war crime trials said they genuinely believed the walking, emaciated corpses of Jews, homosexuals, Social Democrats, Communists, Soviet army POWS, Poles, Czechs, Hungarians, untermenches were "enemies of the state" or "those unworthy of life". Some still held these same convictions being interviewed decades later by BBC documentary film makers who made the World at War series, or subsequent films, or docu-series about rise of Hitler's Third Reich.
Famous forensic psychologist Philip Lombardo after his famous Stanford Prison experiment coined a term called the Lucifer Effect, a socio-behavioral type of expression that explains how seemingly normal, law-abiding citizens of a community or nation can become willing participants in mindless genocide, or slaughter of their neighbors, family members, or anyone a ruling regime defines as "dangerous outsiders", evil out-groups and do it with clear consciences and little regret. Lucifer Effect doesn't just apply to SS Einsatsgruppen murder squads in Eastern Front or occupied France during WWII, it's been applied to Stalin's purging of the Red Army and Communist Party ranks during the 1930s, McCarthyism, Mao's Cultural Revolution of 1966-76, East German citizens living in a highly restrictive spied-upon, secretive police state run by the Stasi for 40 years during GDR's existence. Milligram's "Fear and Obedience" studies earlier on worked around the same premises and came to many of same conclusions Lombardo studies did. Stanley Milligram even admitted on several occasions that by all accounts, him living a quiet, successful, undisturbed life was due to luck, his parents escaped Nazi Germany in mid-30s to New York and the very fact they succeeded while so many potential Jewish immigrants didn't or weren't permitted was fate because IMHO, he should have died like millions of Jews and Nazi purported racial enemies in Auschwitz or Treblinka. I don't share his fatalistic views, I am just repeating words he expressed openly in several interviews made over the course of his academic career.
