Federal Unemployment set to expire July 31? (2 Viewers)

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Folks. The government needs to extend this till November at least. I’m afraid America will go to a very dark place if we do not. The Economists all agree it needs to be extended. I’m not going to get political on this board but if we don’t help those that are still in need it is going to get really bad. High crime, riots, more protests, even a major stock market crash could happen. Pray Congress does the right thing and extends unemployment.
 

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My issue is that bars will make a ton of money, but are COVID-19 spread factories. What's the solution to allow them to remain open, but not spread the disease? People were going, because they're stupid and think the risk isn't a big deal.

There is no way to follow the various state and CDC guidelines.

What you're talking about is going to happen eventually, because there is no way various sectors can stay out of business... but we need them to be shut down, since they can't be opened safely. It's a rock and a hard place.
I probably should have quoted someone else since I agree with you. I wanted to explain that the actual market solution is to let businesses fail. I have no problem with government closing business. I think we are dragging out the inevitable with another round of PPP and creating zombie companies that will just eat govt funds until bankruptcy. We need to prioritize public health and fine/close businesses that don’t social distance. We need to let businesses, especially Accommodation and F&B, fail NOW and not issue more PPP.

There’s no “let the market decide” during a pandemic. The same people saying that are typically the people also advocating for PPP. Those people are more worried about businesses than if their neighbor is fed, sheltered, and alive. God forbid they get something more than they do.
 

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See that's why a one size fits all solution isn't good. When I was on furlough my take home pay from the government would come to just under 40k/yr...take home. The average salary in my town is 25k. The median household income is 50k..before taxes and healthcare and 401k. This is big money being given away here.
Not really. And I'm saying it is comically too low. Hell, what the state of Florida pays in a week (gross) I make in a day (net). And I'm underpaid.

All of the arguments against Unemployment are usually against the poor, or poor people not having an incentive to work. All it does is screw over skilled labor and white collar workers who are laid off. The state benefits would maybe cover groceries for the family.

The $600 from the fed helps cure that ill here, but may be a bit high for other states. I've been on the side of a per diem style structure for federal aid, min wage, etc.. i..e if you live in an expensive area, you get more. You live in a rural area, you get less.
 

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That's how it's here as well. We provide a letter showing the employee was furloughed (saying laid off is seen differently). When we are ready for them to return, LWC is sent a copy of the letter informing the employee it's time to return. If they refused, it's seen as a resignation.

We've only terminated one person throughout all of this and the person isn't likely to qualify since we're claiming it was for misconduct and have evidence of it.
I don't know how the return thing is supposed to work. My company has about 2,000 employees locally and about 1,980 of us were furloughed. We used to have 12 people in HR and now we have 2. The way it seems to work is the departments are given a budget to spend on salary, they informally work out who is coming back, and submit those names to HR. So I don’t think HR necessarily knows about everyone who says no or not now. And like I said HR is severely understaffed since they are at non-revenue generating department. So the official return offer paperwork I was supposed to sign in May...actually got to me two weeks ago. I had to backdate it.
 

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Not really. And I'm saying it is comically too low. Hell, what the state of Florida pays in a week (gross) I make in a day (net). And I'm underpaid.

All of the arguments against Unemployment are usually against the poor, or poor people not having an incentive to work. All it does is screw over skilled labor and white collar workers who are laid off. The state benefits would maybe cover groceries for the family.

The $600 from the fed helps cure that ill here, but may be a bit high for other states. I've been on the side of a per diem style structure for federal aid, min wage, etc.. i..e if you live in an expensive area, you get more. You live in a rural area, you get less.
There are cost of living differences in various parts of the country. The median house cost in Fort Lauderdale is double what it is here.
 

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I don't know how the return thing is supposed to work. My company has about 2,000 employees locally and about 1,980 of us were furloughed. We used to have 12 people in HR and now we have 2. The way it seems to work is the departments are given a budget to spend on salary, they informally work out who is coming back, and submit those names to HR. So I don’t think HR necessarily knows about everyone who says no or not now. And like I said HR is severely understaffed since they are at non-revenue generating department. So the official return offer paperwork I was supposed to sign in May...actually got to me two weeks ago. I had to backdate it.
Organizations truly underestimate HR's importance.
 

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You’re right, and i was aware that it was weekly, despite what i typed.. i went ahead and edited it.. My point stands.

And in re to your take that people are turning down jobs because of it, as i mentioned earlier in the thread- i think those people are outliers.. i think the vast majority of people would rather be productive while earning a decent wage.
Hell I had a hard time getting employees to show up on time and I was paying $23 an hour to start and the job didnt even require a college degree

I cant speak for other areas of the country, but in the Baton Rouge area it was hard to find employees to would follow basic policies and procedures even when there wasnt a federal safety net. I heard it from most of the managers and business owners I had contact with
 

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Yeah the unemployment office called my work to verify that I was furloughed in April. Did they call back every week to make sure I hadn’t been offered a job? I doubt it. I had to log in each week I was unemployed and answer questions before I got paid. But we had a guy in my department that refused the job a month ago but started back today. I’m guessing he wanted that extra month of government checks.
They call my employer weekly.
 

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They call my employer weekly.
yeah I can’t imagine them doing that for the number of employees we have. It seems like they would just have to notify them when you’re brought back. Calling every week would be a huge waste of time.
 
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My issue is that bars will make a ton of money, but are COVID-19 spread factories. What's the solution to allow them to remain open, but not spread the disease? People were going, because they're stupid and think the risk isn't a big deal.

There is no way to follow the various state and CDC guidelines.

What you're talking about is going to happen eventually, because there is no way various sectors can stay out of business... but we need them to be shut down, since they can't be opened safely. It's a rock and a hard place.
If we believe the experts that said protests did not cause outbreaks/spread then bars can operate outdoors provided they follow social distancing. The rest is logistics that a bar would need to figure out. Perhaps they only open at night, masks required and maybe you might have to limit how many people can be there. Its either that or stay closed.
 

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If we believe the experts that said protests did not cause outbreaks/spread then bars can operate outdoors provided they follow social distancing. The rest is logistics that a bar would need to figure out. Perhaps they only open at night, masks required and maybe you might have to limit how many people can be there. Its either that or stay closed.
The problem with bars is you can't enforce mask usage because you have to remove them to drink. Unless they have a huge deck they can't get enough people outdoors 6 ft apart to make the economics work.
 
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My thoughts are simple. A huge amount of all the trillions given away on this Covid spending spree have gone to the wealthiest in the country. Tax benefits that benefit the richest again. Fine, if that’s what’s needed. But, when it comes to giving Joe Blow his 600 additional bucks a month.... no. Can’t do it. Make him too lazy to go back to work.
Come on man. Really? An extra 600 isn’t going to kill the US when billions if not trillions have been Hoovered up by millionaires and billionaires.
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The problem with bars is you can't enforce mask usage because you have to remove them to drink. Unless they have a huge deck they can't get enough people outdoors 6 ft apart to make the economics work.
Yes, its gonna have to be really restrictive otherwise the only other option is to remain closed. Masks on when going to buy your drink and on until you've reached your staging area outside after you left the purchased area. No sitting by the bar. Outside drinking only thats socially distanced setup. Masks until you're drinking a beverage.
 

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If we believe the experts that said protests did not cause outbreaks/spread then bars can operate outdoors provided they follow social distancing. The rest is logistics that a bar would need to figure out. Perhaps they only open at night, masks required and maybe you might have to limit how many people can be there. Its either that or stay closed.
The nature of a bar is not conducive to social distancing, mask wearing, and contact tracing.

DC has beer gardens open, maybe the safest version of a bar. Outdoor tables limited to 6 spaced adequately. How many guys are going to stay at their table after a few drinks when a cute girl starts making eyes? Do we want groups of 6 non-related adults sitting at a table without masks on? Can you really contact trace bar patrons? It doesn’t work and it’s not worth it.

Many businesses already poorly enforce social distancing and occupancy requirements even with sober patrons. We are writing $1k fines because daily new cases have doubled since moving to Phase 2 and businesses are not adhering to requirements.
 
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I hope that the governors of our fine states scour the territories to gather our collective set of teeth for measures to prevent things from getting worse.

I have no faith in that happening. School starts in a few weeks and it's going to blow up.

How many kids are going to lick their hand and chase other kids while yelling "Covid!"?

How many kids will believe their parents when they tell them that there's nothing to worry about?

How many will borrow a pen and stick it in their mouth?
 

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