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Feds torpedo Navy submariner's 'Clinton defense' - CNNPolitics.com

Of course, he doesn't have millions of dollars nor billionaires backing him, so his defense was dismissed and they want to give him 5 years in prison.

Meanwhile, no one is indicting the Hildebeast for perjury even though the FBI says she didn't tell the truth when she testified under oath. :idunno:
 

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Feds torpedo Navy submariner's 'Clinton defense' - CNNPolitics.com

Of course, he doesn't have millions of dollars nor billionaires backing him, so his defense was dismissed and they want to give him 5 years in prison.

Meanwhile, no one is indicting the Hildebeast for perjury even though the FBI says she didn't tell the truth when she testified under oath. :idunno:
Come on man, not you too. That's not what the FBI said. Comey said directly she DID NOT LIE.

I don't like her either but how are otherwise intelligent people repeating this blatant lie that the FBI says she lied? If you think she lied, fine, but the FBI said the opposite of what you are saying here.
 

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True. Comey said she did not lie to the FBI. She'd be in jail if she had. Fortunately, Comey released info that demonstrated Hillary lied to the public. So she lied, as Comey showed us; but she did not lie to the FBI. (If he said she lied under oath that would be a bigger deal than this email controversy)

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Hillary Clinton's wrong claim that FBI director Comey called her comments about email 'truthful' | PolitiFact


"When Comey announced the FBI’s findings July 5, it was clear that there are obvious inconsistencies between what Clinton said publicly about classified information on her private email server before her FBI interview and what the FBI found. Pointedly, Clinton said there wasn’t any classified information in her email, and he said there was."
 

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True. Comey said she did not lie to the FBI. She'd be in jail if she had. Fortunately, Comey released info that demonstrated Hillary lied to the public. So she lied, as Comey showed us; but she did not lie to the FBI. (If he said she lied under oath that would be a bigger deal than this email controversy)

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Hillary Clinton's wrong claim that FBI director Comey called her comments about email 'truthful' | PolitiFact


"When Comey announced the FBI’s findings July 5, it was clear that there are obvious inconsistencies between what Clinton said publicly about classified information on her private email server before her FBI interview and what the FBI found. Pointedly, Clinton said there wasn’t any classified information in her email, and he said there was."
That's not what Tenordas said, he said she lied under oath which is simply false.

Now, did she lie to the public? Comey says he believes she didn't know the emails were classified because of how they were marked. Do I believe that? I don't know, honestly. I think he knows more about this than me and I'll give the benefit of the doubt. Everyone has to make their own judgement on if she lied or didn't know. I suspect that will be driven largely by ones ideology.

However, she didn't commit perjury because statements to the public isn't under oath.
 

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Perhaps I have misunderstood the order of things. First of all, I didn't mean to imply the FBI said she lied to them. Comey did not say that. Also, it is my understanding she wasn't under oath when she spoke to them. However, when he was before Congress and was asked about several statements she made before congress, he straight forward said those statements weren't correct. Was she not under oath when she testified before Congress? I suppose that's possible, though it would be unusual.
 

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She was under oath before Congress.

The FBI has not yet investigated Clinton for purjury before Congress and as such the FBI currently holds no opinion of her guilt/innocence in the matter.

She did provide answers to questions from Congress that proved to not be accurate per the details of the FBI's investigation of her emails. Did she lie to Congress or was she just that ignorant? That's the basic question.
 

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She was under oath before Congress.

The FBI has not yet investigated Clinton for purjury before Congress and as such the FBI currently holds no opinion of her guilt/innocence in the matter.

She did provide answers to questions from Congress that proved to not be accurate per the details of the FBI's investigation of her emails. Did she lie to Congress or was she just that ignorant? That's the basic question.
Right, and Comey tried to cover some of that nuance but was quickly admonished and told they wanted "something quicker" in terms of answers. So he went to just saying "not true" which allowed them to state he said she lied, which he didn't say.

That's the problem, of course, with all these things. They are political circuses designed to give talking points, not actually accomplish anything.
 

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This site is full of uninformed types who refuse to look into Clintons past. Her connections and dealings are treasonous at best and her dishonesty is unprecedented. If all you democrats out there are actually think college can be free without tax increases on everyone you are insane. You think showing love to murderous Muslims will change them then you are naive. Even a $15 minimum wage will increase the unemployment numbers and force businesses to downsize. You guys need to use your brains and see the destruction caused and left behind by democrats. How long has New Orleans been run by democrats?
 

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Right, and Comey tried to cover some of that nuance but was quickly admonished and told they wanted "something quicker" in terms of answers. So he went to just saying "not true" which allowed them to state he said she lied, which he didn't say.



That's the problem, of course, with all these things. They are political circuses designed to give talking points, not actually accomplish anything.

Sounds like she still lied to me. But I'm not in government, so I don't know their secret code word for "lie" for the time being, I guess...


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One situation is a person receiving tens of thousands of emails she has to deal with of which less than 100 may have held classified material somewhere in them using prior practice with setting up her email. The SofS also runs by a different set of classified rules than the military.

The second case is a sailor in the US military with security clearance taking pictures of a subs engine room which he knew was completely against regulations. Pretty simple to see the difference.


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How can some people not understand that stating something incorrectly because that is what you believe/understand it to be is not the same as telling a lie?
 

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How can some people not understand that stating something incorrectly because that is what you believe/understand it to be is not the same as telling a lie?
The same way they can excuse Trump for essentially lying so much that nothing he says is consistent.
 
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She was under oath before Congress.

The FBI has not yet investigated Clinton for purjury before Congress and as such the FBI currently holds no opinion of her guilt/innocence in the matter.

She did provide answers to questions from Congress that proved to not be accurate per the details of the FBI's investigation of her emails. Did she lie to Congress or was she just that ignorant? That's the basic question.
Which leaves one with only two choices for a conclusion:

1) She knows exactly she did and told bald faced lies to cover it up, or

2) She is incompetent.

Either conclusion leads me to the reality that she has no business being in charge of anything, especially not the country.

Reminds me of this scene from Casino. The pertinent line is at 1:03. (warning: a lot of NSFW language)
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She lied, she didn't tell the truth, Benghazi, emails, blah blah blah....

Stop it. Hillary Clinton will be the next POTUS because YOU, the so called Republican conservatives decided to go the reality TV route and nominate a clown, whose every other sentence is a lie or a contradiction (when he actually puts a sentence together) and completely ignore the one man, John Kasich, who could have challenged Clinton, the one with dignity, professionalism, and a track record. But noooooo. Let's believe the showbiz con man. And now, you are clinging to the same tired sound bites..

So, next year, when Hillary Clinton takes the oath as POTUS, all of you emailers and Benghaziers look at yourselves in the mirror, smile, Pat yourselves in the back, and congratulate yourselves for your accomplishment.
 

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