Film Room: Cossell and Caplan look at pass rusher prospects (1 Viewer)

[bornnraisedwhodat]

Film Room: Defensive End Class

Newest installment of the of the Film Room series. They talk pass rushers. Interesting observations.

 

[Saint_Ward]

Not the biggest endorsement of Mingo.

 

[Saint_Ward]

Here's the link they did on LB's, some of the OLB's we'd also look at. Also ILB's.

Film Room: LB Prospects

Much more glowing review of Jones than Mingo in terms of being a pass rusher.

 

[bornnraisedwhodat]

I dont know what to think on those guys anymore.

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[Saint_Ward]

It makes me want Ansah or Jarvis Jones.

 

[4thqtrsaint]

If he's on the board, the pick will be Jarvis Jones. I've been convinced for 2 weeks.

 

[bornnraisedwhodat]

I dont see Jones being dominant like a Demarcus Ware even if he maxes out his potential. At best I see a Cameron Wake type of player, at worst Justin Houston.

I'd be damn happy with either.

Mingo, is just hard to figure out. You see some traits there, but I wonder if he has the frame to bulk up? I dont see it. He has the arm length and athleticism to be a Demarcus Ware, but I dont know if he will ever have core stregth (especially in the run game). At best, you get a D.Ware, at worst, you get Aaron Maybin.

 

[jkupps2415]

At best I see a Cameron Wake type of player, at worst Justin Houston.

Those are two pretty good players right there.

 

[dapperdan]

At best, you get a D.Ware, at worst, you get Aaron Maybin.

Lol...that's a pretty wide range: boom to bust and everything in-between.

 

[bornnraisedwhodat]

Lol...that's a pretty wide range: boom to bust and everything in-between.

LOL, thats just how I see him. I damn sure could be wrong he just be a solid player throughout his NFL career.

But I think athletically, his ceiling is as high as it gets, but he could definetily be a guy who is looking for a job in a few years.

 

[Domeination]

I think Cossel's right that Mingo's slight build will hurt him in the NFL. He also often fails to finish when rushing the QB, which is a concern of mine. Finally, he just didn't put up the numbers at LSU this season that he should have. I have no idea where he is on the Saints' board, but if he's the only option left on their board at the OLB position rated as a first-round talent when pick #15 is on the clock, then I hope the FO has the opportunity to trade down and possibly get a second round pick.

 

[dapperdan]

LOL, thats just how I see him. I damn sure could be wrong he just be a solid player throughout his NFL career.

But I think athletically, his ceiling is as high as it gets, but he could definetily be a guy who is looking for a job in a few years.

I agree with you...which is why I just don't see the Saints drafting him. The Saints need a player with a higher probability of success at 15, even if they drop down into the late-20's/early-30's I wouldn't see the Saints taking him for that reason.

Another comparison that might be made would be with Bruce Irvins, last year. But again, Irvins is a larger player, at least 10-15 pounds heavier, and maybe a tad bit faster. And Irvins is in a special situation in Seattle in that he is a playing a very specialized position, just rush the passer. Not many teams can afford that luxury.

 

[bornnraisedwhodat]

I agree with you...which is why I just don't see the Saints drafting him. The Saints need a player with a higher probability of success at 15, even if they drop down into the late-20's/early-30's I wouldn't see the Saints taking him for that reason.

Another comparison that might be made would be with Bruce Irvins, last year. But again, Irvins is a larger player, at least 10-15 pounds heavier, and maybe a tad bit faster. And Irvins is in a special situation in Seattle in that he is a playing a very specialized position, just rush the passer. Not many teams can afford that luxury.

I do see Mingo having a role similar to Irvin initially. But at this point, Irvin was a better pure pass rusher, even as a prospect than Mingo. ...and he was considered a reach.

 

[CitySaint]

Mingos build hurts him less if he is assigned to be an outside linebacker than if he is slotted at D-end in a 4-3. At minimum he would be in a 3 man rotation any way, he will likely receive limited, targeted snaps at worst, or become a full blown starter at best killing rotation due to stellar play.

 

[SaintsJunkie]

I just want to trade down and draft two of them, give us better odds, I would love to also have Margus Hunt because a guy his size and athletic ablity on the inside would make it tough on opposing QBs, he would be like a shot blocker inside .

 

[Saint_Ward]

Part of the problem is that they were reviewing Mingo mostly as a DE, not as an OLB. However, I am pretty sure he said that Mingo doesn't bend well, which will hurt him as an rush OLB

In the LB segment I posted, Cosell specifically stated that Jarvis Jones is ideal as a open side OLB .. aka rush OLB. I guess we can try to tweet Cosell and ask him to compare the two more.