Film Study: Dion Jordan, Bjorn Werner, Corey Lemonier (1 Viewer)

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The is my 2nd film study. As I said I am trying to 3 a day. At least guys that I think the Saints could pick. This time I am doing Jordan, Werner, and Lemonier. These guys were fun to watch for different reasons. So lets go!

Dion Jordon OLB, Oregon
Games Watched: vs Stanford, vs USC, vs Washington, vs Washington st., vs Fresno

The Good: All I could do was smile watching this guy. Talk about an elite athlete. The guy is LONG. 6-7, 240 something pounds. The first thing I wanted to focus on is his pass rush ability. And it is pretty damn good. He has a great first step, and dip his shoulder and come around the edge with great speed. He is a hard worker and has high motor. You rarely see him tired even though he is on the field every snap. The thing that stands out to me is his athleticism. He is soooo fluid for a big guy. They put his hands in the dirt, they stand him up, they have him covering TE's, slot WR's, RB;s in the slot. I swear you can put this guy at safety and he would probably do well. Even when plays are away from him he is hustling to get in on it. Even plays special teams and does it well. This is guy is a defensive coordinators dream. Soooo many options, very versatile and seems pretty intelligent as far as play diagnosing and understanding route concepts, snap count, etc.

The bad: Although he has a very good first step and good pass rush ability. Not very versatile in his hand usage. He is usually dipping his shoulder or just flat out flyng past the o-linemen. I also wouldn't classify him as a "physical" player. He can get easily over powered by offensive linemen, and easily gets nudged out of the path of the QB. Gets over powered in the running game, although he tries to make up for it with hustle. Not real good at shedding blocks.

NFL Projection: I see him as 3-4 OLB or even a 4-3 OLB. He is a versatile player that can do it all. He is young and has tons of upside. He has the frame to add on much more bulk and be more physical in the run game. He will need to get coached up on different pass rushing moves. He will be interesting in the league. He can be an immediate impact player, or if he gets with a stubborn coach, they could struggle trying to find a role for him or pigeon holing him in 1 role.
Dion Jordan | Draft Breakdown

Bjorn Werner DE, Florida St.
Games Watched: vs Maryland, vs Wake Forest, vs NC State, vs Oklahoma

The Good: This guy is a pass rusher. PERIOD. He has the first step. He has the speed off of the edge. He is relentless with the QB in his sights. He is very nifty at trying to find the best way to get home, be it outside the tackle, inside, or faking the linemen out with an inside step then quickly shaking him and flying to the QB. Fun guy to watch. He is stout at the point of attack, uses his hands well, has great length and can keep hands off of him. He can bull rush you, he can finesse you. This guy will be a good player.

The bad: I cant label him with the "high motor guy" stigma. He seems to disappear at times. Especially in the run game which was disappointing. If the play is away from him, you can pretty much guarantee he wont get in on the action. He'll just stop running. There were times when he quit pursuit of a runner, and while his guys try to gang tackle the guy or the guy is moving and shaking for extra yards he is no where to be found. I rarely saw him getting into a pile up. Seems like a guy who "doesn't want to get too dirty". He seems like a guy who will do what he is told and that's it, nothing extra. And although his first step is very good, Im no sure he is very fast. His closing speed is good but not great.

NFL Projection: Everyone is saying he is only a 4-3 DE, which he does project there, I feel he can play both DE and OLB in a 34. He is only 255 pounds. they've stood him up and put his hands in the dirt, although he seems a little more natural with his hands in the dirt. Reminds me somewhat of Ryan Kerrigan with not as good a motor but more athleticism. Definitely has the ability to be a game changer in the NFL.
Bjoern Werner | Draft Breakdown

Corey Lemonior DE, Auburn
Games Watched: vs LSU, vs Alabama, vs Georgia

The Good. This guy was fun to watch. He is not an elite athlete, but a hard worker and seems to be a natural football player. He comes off the edge with very good power and explosion. To say he not the biggest guy he gets pretty physical at the point of attack. Very good at diagnosing plays and very good instincts in the run game and passing game. Not afraid to get his hands dirty at all. Good speed, good strength, instincts, all of the above. He can stand up and rush from a 3 point stance.

The bad: As I said, he not a GREAT athelete. Not crazy fast, not crazy strong, not really a fluid athlete if that's the correct term. He just works hard and uses all his tools at his disposal. He is not a guy who will wow you with his athleticism but he wil show up time after time making plays.

NFL Projection: I can see him as a OLB or DE. He can fill out and bulk up, he has the frame for it. He reminds me somewhat of Ahmad Brooks. He is wont be getting crazy sack number but will always show up on tape doing something good. Probably wont be a All-Pro guy but I can see him making a few pro-bowls and having a damn good NFL career.
Corey Lemonier | Draft Breakdown

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Overall, I wouldn't mind any of these guys. I was somewhat disappointed in Werner since I see him so highly rated by other draftnicks and mock drafts. Dion Jordan sure is intriguing as an all-around player. And Lemonior could be a steal in the 2nd round. Look forward to your feedback!

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Just nervous Jordan blows up the Combine and turns into Vernon golston. He's raw, with a lack of pass rush moves. Just athletic and relies strictly on athleticism. That won't work against most nfl tackles. On the flip side, his coverage ability is rare. When he can actually be taller than most te's. the league is producing some athletic freaks at te (graham gronk etc) it'd be nice to have someone who could keep up


Great research by the way. Curious, do you think bw would have had a chance to recover? Or maybe his responsibility was to watch the cutback? Some defenses use the back side end to trail a little to prevent a cutback
 

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not a big fan of Jordan, but love the other two, Werner would make my draft, he is so powerful
 

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Thanks for the info man, i didn't know about werner being like that. I'd rather any of the first 3 you "scouted" than these all things considered
 

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good stuff, the only player i kinda like of the three is werner though and to me he is a pure 4-3 DEnd, or at least that is his best fit by a mile. Jordan wasnt a good player in college so i have a hard time drafting him as high as he is expected to go, simply because at his draft position he needs to be a better player in the pros than he was in college and that is quite rare. Lemonier flat out isnt talented enough to draft in the first and he prolly wont be there in the third (although imo he should be, i see a fourth rounder when i see him play tbqh)
 

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Really wish some ppl would quit sayin Jordan wasn't good in college. He wouldve had far more sacks n hurries if he wasn't asked to drop back in coverage so much...but even so, that's part of what makes him such a great prospect. I don't think we should pass on him if he's available
 
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Really wish some ppl would quit sayin Jordan wasn't good in college. He wouldve had far more sacks n hurries if he wasn't asked to drop back in coverage so much...but even so, that's part of what makes him such a great prospect. I don't think we should pass on him if he's available
He is an extremely good player.

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Really wish some ppl would quit sayin Jordan wasn't good in college. He wouldve had far more sacks n hurries if he wasn't asked to drop back in coverage so much...but even so, that's part of what makes him such a great prospect. I don't think we should pass on him if he's available
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Really wish some ppl would quit sayin Jordan wasn't good in college. He wouldve had far more sacks n hurries if he wasn't asked to drop back in coverage so much...but even so, that's part of what makes him such a great prospect. I don't think we should pass on him if he's available
he dropped about 25% of the time and had 5 sacks. compensate for that and he wouldve had about 6.5-7 sacks but the main issue is, when you watch oregon tape there are a few guys making plays all the time and jordan isnt one of them. Kiki alonso and Taylor Hart are the guys who look like high draft picks on film. Jordan plays really soft, doesnt play up to his measurables and quite frankly he is more of an athlete than he is a football player.

His godgiven tools are pretty sweet but a fifth year senior should understand football better than he does and quite frankly, he shouldve had 10 or 15 pounds more on him at least in a college weight program as well. Not sure if he is lazy in the weightroom of his body doesnt take the weight well but either way thats an issue as well
 

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i also like werner from what ive read.mingo next.hopefully they r both still there when we draft. great post.keep up the good work.
 

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The is my 2nd film study. As I said I am trying to 3 a day. At least guys that I think the Saints could pick. This time I am doing Jordan, Werner, and Lemonier. These guys were fun to watch for different reasons. So lets go!

Dion Jordon OLB, Oregon
Games Watched: vs Stanford, vs USC, vs Washington, vs Washington st., vs Fresno

The Good: All I could do was smile watching this guy. Talk about an elite athlete. The guy is LONG. 6-7, 240 something pounds. The first thing I wanted to focus on is his pass rush ability. And it is pretty damn good. He has a great first step, and dip his shoulder and come around the edge with great speed. He is a hard worker and has high motor. You rarely see him tired even though he is on the field every snap. The thing that stands out to me is his athleticism. He is soooo fluid for a big guy. They put his hands in the dirt, they stand him up, they have him covering TE's, slot WR's, RB;s in the slot. I swear you can put this guy at safety and he would probably do well. Even when plays are away from him he is hustling to get in on it. Even plays special teams and does it well. This is guy is a defensive coordinators dream. Soooo many options, very versatile and seems pretty intelligent as far as play diagnosing and understanding route concepts, snap count, etc.

The bad: Although he has a very good first step and good pass rush ability. Not very versatile in his hand usage. He is usually dipping his shoulder or just flat out flyng past the o-linemen. I also wouldn't classify him as a "physical" player. He can get easily over powered by offensive linemen, and easily gets nudged out of the path of the QB. Gets over powered in the running game, although he tries to make up for it with hustle. Not real good at shedding blocks.

NFL Projection: I see him as 3-4 OLB or even a 4-3 OLB. He is a versatile player that can do it all. He is young and has tons of upside. He has the frame to add on much more bulk and be more physical in the run game. He will need to get coached up on different pass rushing moves. He will be interesting in the league. He can be an immediate impact player, or if he gets with a stubborn coach, they could struggle trying to find a role for him or pigeon holing him in 1 role.
Dion Jordan | Draft Breakdown

Bjorn Werner DE, Florida St.
Games Watched: vs Maryland, vs Wake Forest, vs NC State, vs Oklahoma

The Good: This guy is a pass rusher. PERIOD. He has the first step. He has the speed off of the edge. He is relentless with the QB in his sights. He is very nifty at trying to find the best way to get home, be it outside the tackle, inside, or faking the linemen out with an inside step then quickly shaking him and flying to the QB. Fun guy to watch. He is stout at the point of attack, uses his hands well, has great length and can keep hands off of him. He can bull rush you, he can finesse you. This guy will be a good player.

The bad: Even though he is a white pass rusher, I cant label him with the "high motor guy" stigma. He seems to disappear at times. Especially in the run game which was disappointing. If the play is away from him, you can pretty much guarantee he wont get in on the action. He'll just stop running. There were times when he quit pursuit of a runner, and while his guys try to gang tackle the guy or the guy is moving and shaking for extra yards he is no where to be found. I rarely saw him getting into a pile up. Seems like a guy who "doesn't want to get too dirty". He seems like a guy who will do what he is told and that's it, nothing extra. And although his first step is very good, Im no sure he is very fast. His closing speed is good but not great.

NFL Projection: Everyone is saying he is only a 4-3 DE, which he does project there, I feel he can play both DE and OLB in a 34. He is only 255 pounds. they've stood him up and put his hands in the dirt, although he seems a little more natural with his hands in the dirt. Reminds me somewhat of Ryan Kerrigan with not as good a motor but more athleticism. Definitely has the ability to be a game changer in the NFL.
Bjoern Werner | Draft Breakdown

Corey Lemonior DE, Auburn
Games Watched: vs LSU, vs Alabama, vs Georgia

The Good.
This guy was fun to watch. He is not an elite athlete, but a hard worker and seems to be a natural football player. He comes off the edge with very good power and explosion. To say he not the biggest guy he gets pretty physical at the point of attack. Very good at diagnosing plays and very good instincts in the run game and passing game. Not afraid to get his hands dirty at all. Good speed, good strength, instincts, all of the above. He can stand up and rush from a 3 point stance.

The bad: As I said, he not a GREAT athelete. Not crazy fast, not crazy strong, not really a fluid athlete if that's the correct term. He just works hard and uses all his tools at his disposal. He is not a guy who will wow you with his athleticism but he wil show up time after time making plays.

NFL Projection: I can see him as a OLB or DE. He can fill out and bulk up, he has the frame for it. He reminds me somewhat of Ahmad Brooks. He is wont be getting crazy sack number but will always show up on tape doing something good. Probably wont be a All-Pro guy but I can see him making a few pro-bowls and having a damn good NFL career.
Corey Lemonier | Draft Breakdown

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Overall, I wouldn't mind any of these guys. I was somewhat disappointed in Werner since I see him so highly rated by other draftnicks and mock drafts. Dion Jordan sure is intriguing as an all-around player. And Lemonior could be a steal in the 2nd round. Look forward to your feedback!

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I agree with most of your write up on Dion Jordan, though I'm as impressed with his athleticism. He has ONE go to move, which is a speed rush, and O-linemen get their hands on him, he has no counter for it and gets washed out easily. He's basically Martez Wilson, but taller and way lighter.

I wasnt a fan of Ansah, though I've warmed up to him after the Senior Bowl. He does have a ton of upside, but he's more of a hand in the dirt DE/5-tech, nthan he is a rush OLB. He's closer to Watt, than he is D. Ware. He's WAAAAY too green to play OLB. May be too much for him to digest. Better to put him in a 3-point and let him chase down the ball.

Werner is the truth though! Stand him up, put his hand down, and never take him off the field. I agree 100% with the breakdown. I believe the reason why he seems to fade out in games, is because he sets the edge so well, that runners simply bounce it inside. FSU was great of the edges, and I'm not sure how good the middle of their D is, but it seemed like that was their weakness. I'd do a back flip if Werner slid to 15 and we nabbed him.

I actually like Lemonior! I like the idea of drafting him in the 3rd, way better than I like the idea of taking Jordan in the first. I think he's every bit the pass rusher that Jordan is, and more explosive off the snap. I actually think he has a more pro ready game than Jordan too.

I know it's not the popular point of view, but I'm not very impressed with Dion Jordan. I'd prefer Werner, Ansah, and even Lemonior, compared to Jordan. I just think we already have a guy like Dion Jordan, in Tez Wilson. In my opinion, Tez already boasts the same set, if not more skills.
 
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he dropped about 25% of the time and had 5 sacks. compensate for that and he wouldve had about 6.5-7 sacks but the main issue is, when you watch oregon tape there are a few guys making plays all the time and jordan isnt one of them. Kiki alonso and Taylor Hart are the guys who look like high draft picks on film. Jordan plays really soft, doesnt play up to his measurables and quite frankly he is more of an athlete than he is a football player.

His godgiven tools are pretty sweet but a fifth year senior should understand football better than he does and quite frankly, he shouldve had 10 or 15 pounds more on him at least in a college weight program as well. Not sure if he is lazy in the weightroom of his body doesnt take the weight well but either way thats an issue as well
Who is number 25 for oregan? He caught my eye.

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