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That's the busiest air space in the world and it's interrupted frequently, but not for staffing. You can keep an eye on the National Air Space system here.

Right now all air traffic into LGA east of Minneapolis, Chicago, Indy, Atlanta and Jacksonville Centers are on a ground stop. This will continue for another 30 minutes or so and then will be followed by a ground delay program where flights will be delayed to ensure that aircraft arrive into LGA at a rate of about 30 per hour. I'd anticipate this to be pretty close to the flow rate for the next 12 hours. As the day goes on, you can expect airlines to start cancelling flights because pilots will be estimated to go over their duty time for the day. If you're lucky enough to not be on a cancelled flight, expect 15-20 mins of holding into LGA.
 

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That's the busiest air space in the world and it's interrupted frequently, but not for staffing. You can keep an eye on the National Air Space system here.

Right now all air traffic into LGA east of Minneapolis, Chicago, Indy, Atlanta and Jacksonville Centers are on a ground stop. This will continue for another 30 minutes or so and then will be followed by a ground delay program where flights will be delayed to ensure that aircraft arrive into LGA at a rate of about 30 per hour. I'd anticipate this to be pretty close to the flow rate for the next 12 hours. As the day goes on, you can expect airlines to start cancelling flights because pilots will be estimated to go over their duty time for the day. If you're lucky enough to not be on a cancelled flight, expect 15-20 mins of holding into LGA.
It sounds like the staffing issues are in Washington Center. This will impact flights into EWR and PHL as well.
 

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It's going to take more and more of shirt like this to make this idiot president get off his fat arse and open the forking government again. He's proud that this is happening. He told us all on December 11.
 

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For those interested in how screwed we could all be, there are about 2,000 ATC employees who are eligible for retirement right now, but continue working. It takes 2-3 years to replace one of them in a school that fails about 50% of the students that enter the program. You might get 500 new controllers out of Oklahoma City in a good year. The school is of course closed right now during the shut down.

If 2,000 ATC employees decided that they've had enough of being jerked around every couple of years, this could get real ugly, real fast.

Right now, these people are already working shorthanded in one of the most stressful jobs in the world. Many have deferred retirement because they understand the impact it could have on working conditions which correlate directly with the safety of people on aircraft. Because they're about to get stiffed on their second paycheck today, they going out and driving Uber, GrubHub, etc. to pay the bills and eat until this is over. That means a controller who is not very well rested is about to handle your flight tomorrow, making a stressful situation even more stressful. This will have a cumulative effect on staffing and you will see more sick calls because people who are not well rested and/or are stressed are not supposed to come to work in ATC. They are legally required to be relieved of all duties for at least 24 consecutive hours at least once during each 7 consecutive days and have 8 hours of rest before any 10 hour shift. (14 CFR 65.47). Commercial aircraft, private aircraft, cargo aircraft all reply upon this group of people.

Think about this the next time you people complain about "the government" as if it's some faceless entity and not thousands of people just doing their jobs, helping people like you and me everyday.
 
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(the snark in me hopes this happens to atlanta in about a week)



Lol.. I hate to admit it, but this was my first thought as well.. I have to fly into Newark on Sunday (day after tomorrow) for a week of work, and have been dreading it for weeks.. I would LOVE for this to affect my flight, then have the shutdown end a few days later so those hard working people can get paid.
 

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For those interested in how screwed we could all be, there are about 2,000 ATC employees who are eligible for retirement right now, but continue working. It takes 2-3 years to replace one of them in a school that fails about 50% of the students that enter the program. You might get 500 new controllers out of Oklahoma City in a good year. The school is of course closed right now during the shut down.

If 2,000 ATC employees decided that they've had enough of being jerked around every couple of years, this could get real ugly, real fast.
They've got an expert talking about these same points on tv right now. The head of Southwest Airlines was apparently the first to even point this out in a statement about this and it was getting overlooked as to the magnitude of importance this could have for much longer than the shutdown will last. Also pointed out in this guy's interview was that the 10,500 ATC's nationwide that we currently have already is understaffing for them.
 

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They've got an expert talking about these same points on tv right now. The head of Southwest Airlines was apparently the first to even point this out in a statement about this and it was getting overlooked as to the magnitude of importance this could have for much longer than the shutdown will last.
It's well known information inside the industry. People just think things are ****ed up now. Wait until something uncontrollable like weather becomes involved in situation.

What channel?
 

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It's well known information inside the industry. People just think things are ****ed up now. Wait until something uncontrollable like weather becomes involved in situation.

What channel?
He's off now but it was MSNBC. They'll likely have him on again as this drags on today.
 

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