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Michiganders Demand Governor

To poison all the children in an historic American city is no small feat. Even international terrorist organizations haven’t figured out yet how to do something on a magnitude like this.

But you did. Your staff and others knew that the water in the Flint River was poison — but you decided that taking over the city and “cutting costs” to “balance the budget” was more important than the people’s health (not to mention their democratic rights to elect their own leaders). So you cut off the clean, fresh glacial lake water of Lake Huron that the citizens of Flint (including myself) had been drinking for decades and, instead, made them drink water from the industrial cesspool we call the Flint River — a body of “water” where toxins from a dozen General Motors and DuPont factories have been dumped for over a hundred years. And then you decided to put a chemical in this water to “clean” it — which only ended up stripping the lead off of Flint’s aging water pipes, placing that lead in the water and sending it straight into people’s taps.
 

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I am failing to se how the bottled eater thing implicates the governor in any way.

The city had issued a boil notice back in late 2014 and then issued a warning about a chemical in the water that could make people sick. It was then that this state building stocked bottled water.
This had nothing to do with the lead. The Michigan Department of Health (or whatever) and the EPA both were publicly saying he water was safe.
And yet lead level tests were off the charts unsafe? I can't see how government screwed it up so badly.
 

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Plus with lead poisoning, you get to increase jail population and pharma profits.

You left off increasing the number of children needing special education services. How will the fake educators running charter schools get by without special education students to exploit?!?


Fraud in testing, special education found at ReNEW charter school | NOLA.com

Two Former New Orleans Charter Principals Exploited SPED Students for Money, Among Other Issues


Yesterday's news: One New Orleans charter school = $300,000plus in SPED fraud in one year. The plus is because they didn't use the legitimate SPED money to supply services for the students who really needed it.

Yes, there will be an increase in the need for SPED services in Flint, but that will increase exponentially the opportunity for these profiteers to exploit said children. :(

SciTech rushed students through special education evaluations, sometimes without parent involvement, increasing the school's budget by $137,800. Staffers also blew up the education plans of 49 students, adding an average of 1,032 minutes of extra help, which totals 2 1/2 days per week; that brought in $180,000.
 

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And yet lead level tests were off the charts unsafe? I can't see how government screwed it up so badly.
Off the charts unsafe? Again, sensationalism.

Lead testing results for water sampled by residents | Flint Water Study Updates

They also are doing the initial water that comes out. If there is a lead concern or you have an older home, you should always let the water run a few seconds, at least, to clear out what "settled". My mom always had us do this. Now, I use water filters to help.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/01/15/this-is-how-toxic-flints-water-really-is/

The 90 percentile numbers from the study were around 27 parts per billion. About 5 times more than the numbers for concern, and about double of what the EPA would issue for older homes to say you really should update your plumbing.

One house was in the 150 ppb, and they really just need new pipes. No way around that.

This whole problem was mostly incompetence in treating their own water.

not greed, etc.

They made a sound fiscal choice originally, but failed miserably at actually making it happen. Just because they failed to have corrosion control chemicals in the water. That's it.

However, as I stated from the get go, and some of you tried to say it wasn't a big issue.. old pipes with lead joints is the real problem. If people are that concerned, they should update their pipes.. don't think this is just a "Flint" problem. If you can't afford that, use filters that can filter out lead. 10% of all homes can be over the EPA standards. And the localities that supply your water can't do much about that.
 

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^^ And yes, one sample was stupid high, but They started messing around with how they collect the data, so there is no base to compare it to. Is that real life?
 

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This was excellent. Almost four hours, but really lays out everything clearly. Seeing the questioning, especially near the end, gives me hope that there are still politicians out there who are not paid off by corporations.

After watching, to me, this is not as much about a corrupt governor or inept government agencies or employees, or a money grab by victims or budgets or even them vs us (even though it could be painted any of these ways.)

This whole situation in Flint seems to be a logical conclusion to what happens when public protections are loosened in the name of corporate profit.

The committee members (many older and seem to be invested in public service of their constituencies) questioned the lack of checks and balances, and specifics of the Clean Water Act and the Lead and Copper Rule that allow utilities and companies to have leeway instead of consistent enforcement. Also discussed was how real and necessary information was withheld from the public, and the loss of public trust.

Quite the history lesson, too. :9:
 

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If people are that concerned, they should update their pipes.. don't think this is just a "Flint" problem. If you can't afford that, use filters that can filter out lead.
Do you not understand that some people can barely afford to feed themselves? It is a financial impossibility to redo the entire plumbing for the poor residents of Flint, Michigan.

This was an unheard of disaster on American soil......much like the Hurricane Katrina aftermath. These types of events should not happen in America during the 21st century. Curiously, the American poor suffer the most.....
 

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Do you not understand that some people can barely afford to feed themselves? It is a financial impossibility to redo the entire plumbing for the poor residents of Flint, Michigan.

This was an unheard of disaster on American soil......much like the Hurricane Katrina aftermath. These types of events should not happen in America during the 21st century. Curiously, the American poor suffer the most.....
If you own a house, you can handle updating pipes.

If you a renter, you have a owner who can update your pipes if it's a serious issue.

The lead is coming from their pipes.

This is not an unheard of disaster, this is a failure to have corrosion controls, mostly due to a lack of experience or decision makers not having any technical experts to guide them.

Don't you dare compare to this the hundreds (1836) of people who died in Katrina.

Again, you don't realize that even the best water standards use a 90 percentile threshold to determine water system safety, but any one person's house could have a serious lead (or other heavy metals) contaminant issue if YOUR home is not properly maintained. Why on earth is that anyone else's responsibility?

Having a water system that doesn't corrode pipes is the City/State's responsibility. But there is only so much they can do. Clearly, the Flint treatment was a failure, but some people are making this out to be a lot more than it was.
 

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If you own a house, you can handle updating pipes.

If you a renter, you have a owner who can update your pipes if it's a serious issue.

The lead is coming from their pipes.

This is not an unheard of disaster, this is a failure to have corrosion controls, mostly due to a lack of experience or decision makers not having any technical experts to guide them.

Don't you dare compare to this the hundreds (1836) of people who died in Katrina.

Again, you don't realize that even the best water standards use a 90 percentile threshold to determine water system safety, but any one person's house could have a serious lead (or other heavy metals) contaminant issue if YOUR home is not properly maintained. Why on earth is that anyone else's responsibility?

Having a water system that doesn't corrode pipes is the City/State's responsibility. But there is only so much they can do. Clearly, the Flint treatment was a failure, but some people are making this out to be a lot more than it was.
Watch the video.

These folks were set up through no fault of their own. They were lied to repeatedly. The people (experts/officials) most able and capable to help were shut out and threatened.

The 'standards' are meaningless with widespread testing irregularities and the politicization of a public agency. By the end it comes out that basically all the EPA findings are suspect, because of lack of control on so many levels.

The Flint water issue mirrored what happened in Washington DC ten years ago, and apparently the changes that were ordered then were blown off. They speculated that this problem exists throughout the US.

So, how much does it cost to refit a building? How much equity do you think a worthless house has as far as getting a homeowners loan? Even that won't help some people, as the legitimate testing has identified pockets of Flint that are getting more than their share of lead because of city pipes.

The parallel to Katrina that I see, is you've got a city of people who are tired, some sickly, with no trust in government, being given the runaround. Having to haul water. Having to cipher out the good information from rumor.

Watch the video.
 

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