Force Feeding DA is About Loomis Trying to Prove that He Can Win a Championship Without Payton and Brees (1 Viewer)

[BayouCajun]

I do not see how any diehard Saints fan can still stand up & defend Mickey Loomis. Mickey Loomis is the cause for this entire failure of this franchise right now as he is the GM. He is one who went through a Sham coaching search, when he was hell bent from day one Sean Payton said he was not coming back to name Dennis Allen as Head Coach. Loomis is one who oversees the entire draft process & free Agency which has been a total disaster for last 5-6 years. Loomis is one who in charge of entire salary cap with his kicking can down the road approach which has been a total disaster. Mickey Loomis has free reign of just pissing Gayle Benson's money away with no fear of retribution, as Gayle Benson appears to be in La La Land allowing this crap to continue without taking any action as she has made Micky Loomis her caretaker of her estate along with Dennis Lauscha. so Mickey Loomis does not fear Gayle firing his sorry Butt..

Mickey Loomis appears to think Saints fans are just flat out stupid to get on live Radio & has nerve to proclaim we have to all look beyond the results. Well if you look beyond the results it should show every Saints fan Mickey Loomis has been a total full blown disaster as GM. The sorry drafts, Irresponsible salary cap management, Free agency, & naming Dennis Allen as Head Coach has been a total dumpster fire. Mickey Loomis runs this entire show & the Head Honcho who is responsible for this entire garbage. Loomis is one who hired Dennis Allen. Loomis is in Charge of entire Scouting department who keeps making bad draft choices as he one who hired Jeff Ireland. Loomis is one who keeps extending contracts & kicking can down the road just to get under cap every year. When is enough going be Enough with Mickey Loomis?

 

[kcirdor]

I do not see how any diehard Saints fan can still stand up & defend Mickey Loomis. Mickey Loomis is the cause for this entire failure of this franchise right now as he is the GM.

 

[mr.t]

How about we go into week 9 of a season with a winning record first before we talk about winning a championship without Payton.

We ain't winning a d*nm thing with DA

Seriously

 

[Brennan77]

I don't understand the premise of this thread. I mean, that's the definition of Loomis' job. He's trying to win a championship. Drew Brees and Sean Payton are gone. What am I missing?

 

[jimwnola]

Loomis is over his head. His background was more in accounting and managing a salary cap. He is not a talent evaluator or true football guy. So, he is not someone with a vision on how to build a team. He relied on Payton for that. I strongly suspect Payton left because he saw there was no immediate future success with Saints and was ready for a change. Obviously, he wasn't really burnt out from coaching. He took one year off. Everyone remaining after Payton left has lacked the confidence and vision to admit to rebuilding. They have been mortgaging future in delusion of being a few players away from success. Draft picks have been subpar for too long. Injuries haven't helped. Coaching hasn't helped. Loomis is one part of the problem, but he was fine in his original capacity.

 

[Noble Saint]

I don't understand the premise of this thread. I mean, that's the definition of Loomis' job. He's trying to win a championship. Drew Brees and Sean Payton are gone. What am I missing?

The OP doesn’t seem to be able to grasp your statement. He just says he meant what he said lol. This thread is living so he gets the attention he desires I guess. No pub is bad pub.

 

[Mamba]

Loomis is over his head. His background was more in accounting and managing a salary cap. He is not a talent evaluator or true football guy. So, he is not someone with a vision on how to build a team. He relied on Payton for that. I strongly suspect Payton left because he saw there was no immediate future success with Saints and was ready for a change. Obviously, he wasn't really burnt out from coaching. He took one year off. Everyone remaining after Payton left has lacked the confidence and vision to admit to rebuilding. They have been mortgaging future in delusion of being a few players away from success. Draft picks have been subpar for too long. Injuries haven't helped. Coaching hasn't helped. Loomis is one part of the problem, but he was fine in his original capacity.

IMO, ideally, you don't want a GM-controlled org chart. You want a Head Coach-controlled org chart. That's how most winning teams operate. Coaches like Kyle Shanahan, Mike Tomlin, Andy Reid, & John Harbaugh may work with GMs, but in all of those cases, it's the coach who really runs the team. The GM serves the coach's vision, even if he hired him.

That's what we had with Payton & Loomis. And it seems to some extent that's the way it's set up now under DA. It's just that it's not working.

There is a severe lack of true CEO-level, "Head Coaches." Most of these guys are just coordinators who call plays and leave the other side of the ball to someone else.

All that to say, I think the Saints system is fine. It's the same system under which we had so much success. We just need to find one of those rare coaches who has a clear vision and can build an organization that is aligned with that vision.

 

[DerrickB]

Exactly. So it's not about his ego or wanting to get the credit. He legitimately thought that DA could win. I think he is tragically wrong about that, but I also think that if DA doesn't win 7 or 8 games this year Loomis is going to fire him.

If he doesn't then Loomis has clearly lost his judgment and needs to go too.

I don't understand the premise of this thread. I mean, that's the definition of Loomis' job. He's trying to win a championship. Drew Brees and Sean Payton are gone. What am I missing?

Would you keep force feeding that DA is the right guy though?

 

[Mamba]

Would you keep force feeding that DA is the right guy though?

This is why your thread title should have been about Loomis trying to prove he could win with DA. You wouldn't have to keep responding to the same confusion.

 

[Boy_of_wonder75]

This is why your thread title should have been about Loomis trying to prove he could win with DA. You wouldn't have to keep responding to the same confusion.

You'd think clarity would matter to someone who writes for an audience.

 

[DerrickB]

This is why your thread title should have been about Loomis trying to prove he could win with DA. You wouldn't have to keep responding to the same confusion.

"If this were elsewhere, DA would have gotten a one-to-two-year window to show he's a competent HC."

That's force feeding DA to me.

 

[St. Widge]

"If this were elsewhere, DA would have gotten a one-to-two-year window to show he's a competent HC."

That's force feeding DA to me.

I just don't think that's totally true. 3 years is a pretty standard length of time to give a head coach to prove he should keep his job. I thought it was clear after year 1 that he wasn't the guy. But, Loomis is patient and most good GMs give a coach 3 full years. The only reason Salah didn't get that with the Jets is because Rodgers wanted him gone now.

 

[Noble Saint]

This is why your thread title should have been about Loomis trying to prove he could win with DA. You wouldn't have to keep responding to the same confusion.

good luck getting that through to him lol

 

[RJS]

I just don't think that's totally true. 3 years is a pretty standard length of time to give a head coach to prove he should keep his job. I thought it was clear after year 1 that he wasn't the guy. But, Loomis is patient and most good GMs give a coach 3 full years. The only reason Salah didn't get that with the Jets is because Rodgers wanted him gone now.

This was Saleh's 4th season as HC for the Jets.

 

[sfidc3]

This is why your thread title should have been about Loomis trying to prove he could win with DA. You wouldn't have to keep responding to the same confusion.

I'm not getting the confusion part.....maybe because I felt after the 1st awful year with DA and the decision to retain him for a 2nd was the beginning of the force feeding?

DA has an historically terrible record as a HC, and he is proving every year with the Saints why.....inability to beat decent/good teams, inability to win close games......those are the facts.....and Kubiak was never going to suddenly make DA a leader.....

And if the Saints retain him after this year (I don't think they will), they (meaning Loomis/Lauscha/GB, etc) aren't serious about putting the best product on the field for the fans.....and that is inexcusable IMO.....