freedom to fascism (1 Viewer)

[AeonSaar]

Thanks Staphory...thnx DadsDream

I hate having a one sided of a story presented to me without having the knoweldge of what the opposition might say. I'm going to look over all of the information you put down,

 

[DadsDream]

FWIW, belialsaar, if you filled a room with college History professors and began showing that film, they'd get up and walk out of the room the moment the 1913 banking conspiracy and pictures of Morgan, Warburg and Rockefeller rolled across the screen.

It's that tainted.

Unfortunately, conservative Christian groups, neo-Nazis and the people of Russia and the Middle East are reviving and repackaging Henry Ford's hatred of Jews and presenting it as something new.

Just read the titles!

THE INTERNATIONAL JEW,
THE WORLD'S FOREMOST PROBLEM
Abridged from the original as published by the world renowned industrial leader,
HENRY FORD, SR.

Foreword. Editor's Foreword
The Man. Henry Ford -- The Man
Chapter 1. Jewish History in the United States
Chapter 2. Angles of Jewish Influence
Chapter 3. Victims, or Persecutors?
Chapter 4. Are the Jews a Nation?
Chapter 5. The Jewish Political Program
Chapter 6. An Introduction to the "Jewish Protocols"
Chapter 7. How the Jews Use Power
Chapter 8. Jewish Influence in American Politics
Chapter 9. Bolshevism and Zionism
Chapter 10. Jewish Supremacy in the Theatre and Cinema
Chapter 11. Jewish Jazz Becomes our National Music
Chapter 12. Liquor, Gambling, Vice and Corruption
Chapter 13. The World's Foremost Problem
Chapter 14. The High and Low of Jewish Money Power
Chapter 15. The Battle for Press Control
Chapter 16. The State of All-Judaan

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/intern_jew.htm

 

[AeonSaar]

Okay this is what has stood out to me so far. I don't like the fact that you can't see the revoked EOs on this site. You can still find them though. Kennedy did all but two of the ones that really struck me as wrong and as you said they were revoked.

Under EO 12656 Sec. 102 states :

b) This Order does not constitute authority to implement the plans prepared pursuant to this Order. Plans so developed may be executed only in the event that authority for such execution is authorized by law.

So it seems it doesn't really matter what plans are developed because this doesn't really give authority to these departments to execute these plans without legal authorization. I do wonder what type of legal authoritation it would take to put those plans in action.

I cannot find anything about untested vaccines in senate bill 1873. Its long-winded but seems to limited to defense purposes. It talks about the development of BARDA and its purpose (which as stated in here seems good). However I do not like the fact that under Sec 319-3 these guys are immune for liability if thier product hurts people. That is garbage and reminds me of the situation with the levees and the Army Corps of Engineers. I don't like how the Senate can just "decide" to make an orginization immune from prosecution. Out side of that gripe the bill is well meanning but needs to be rethought.

I read the clip on rotten about Ford. Wow..never knew that about Ford. Yes, my history book painted him as a hero as well. I wonder why lower educational books like to whitewash the ugly little things from our past out. I'll check out biblebelievers in a bit....

 

[AeonSaar]

whos the creepy looking dude with my ex-wife?

I suppose not everyone can be blessed with your good-looks. Hey, wait....I don't see your picture anywhere.

 

[DadsDream]

I read the clip on rotten about Ford. Wow..never knew that about Ford. Yes, my history book painted him as a hero as well. I wonder why lower educational books like to whitewash the ugly little things from our past out. I'll check out biblebelievers in a bit....

Mind you, that biblebelievers site contains an abridged version of Ford's "International Jew" series from the Dearborn Independent.

It is one of the most racially bigoted pieces of work ever printed. I find it disconcerting that a site called "biblebelievers" would promulgate it.

I posted it as a reference piece for historical familiarization purposes only, belialsaar.

If you take the time to browse through it, see if you can recall any of its tenats resurfacing in the headlines and editorials of recent years, especially in the international press.

See, that's the real conspiracy theory.

 

[AeonSaar]

Whoa......

DadsDream if you watch the "Freedom to Facism" video there is a part of the video where the filmmaker is interviewing a former IRS head-honcho. He kept drilling him about showing him a law that says we should be taxed (wage wise). Anyways, the IRS guy gets real irritatted probally cause they both keep going back and forth rewording the same things over and over again.

Now here is the part that just doesn't feel right......

The filmmaker claims the guy threatens him by saying "nothing will save you" in another tounge. That tounge of course is guess what.....Yiddish.

Come on now...that had to be staged, seriously. I thought it was odd that someone would threaten like that but I didn't realize they were trying to use an anti-semetic angle as well. They never real focus on Jews...but they do let that little spat slip in. Weird.

 

[DadsDream]

Exactly.

The filmmaker never mentions Jews, but the opening sequence about the 1913 banking conspiracy is straight from Henry Ford's "International Jew" series.

It's veiled. It's disguised. But, the film is a rehash of the same dogma that was embraced by the Germans in the 1920s and 30s.

 

[JimEverett]

Whoa......

DadsDream if you watch the "Freedom to Facism" video there is a part of the video where the filmmaker is interviewing a former IRS head-honcho. He kept drilling him about showing him a law that says we should be taxed (wage wise).

Are the filmmakers morons?
If the IRS tax guy couldn;t answer it - is he a moron?

Try the 16th Amendment and the U.S. Tax Code - I think the very first line of the actual code is the Congressional authorization of a tax on individual income.

 

[AeonSaar]

This is funny too. I have been reading Ford's International Jew. Wow, it is almost unblieveable that Ford is still able to sell cars and keep this bit of information underwraps enough not have completely destroyed his image in the eyes of the consumer.

He basically claims that the Jews are behind the Communist movement and the secularization of the educational system. Now I have read my fair share of books written by what I could describe as wrttien from Communist/Socialist sympathetic world view. Those books attack the same angles that Ford and this film attack yet they still claim to be enemies???

For example, this is not the first time I have heard about the concept of a new world order. This is not the first time I have seen the WTO attacked on film nor the first time I have heard the critics attack the NAFTA and the likes. The Socalist/Communist angle attacks these things as well. However, (I would love to ask Ford this if he were alive) if the Communists are just a tool of the Jews then why do they attack the very same concetps that these Anti-semites attack. Its just that from the view point of the Socialist....it is a manner of the Bourgeoisie vs the Proletarian instead of the Gentiles vs the Jews.

 

[AeonSaar]

Are the filmmakers morons?
If the IRS tax guy couldn;t answer it - is he a moron?

Try the 16th Amendment and the U.S. Tax Code - I think the very first line of the actual code is the Congressional authorization of a tax on individual income.

Watch it. I believe the whole argument is staged. The tax guy is playing the part of the ignorent Jewish evil IRS guy in order to further propagate anit-semantic feelings. The sad part is reworking the way we do taxes may not be a bad idea....but to use the platform to attack a whole race of people is astounding. They make it sound like this secret group of rich Jews are trying to take over the world.

I have no doubt rich people hire lobbiest to pursue thier adgendas in our govt. It is only natural for every law could effect thier profit margins and in turn thier stockholders temperments. However, I seriously doubt its some kind of Jewish conspiracy.

 

[St. PJ]

Are the filmmakers morons?
If the IRS tax guy couldn;t answer it - is he a moron?

Try the 16th Amendment and the U.S. Tax Code - I think the very first line of the actual code is the Congressional authorization of a tax on individual income.

I thought the whole point of the argument was that due to the 16th amendment, there are only two types of taxes that can be levied; income tax as we know it is either; and the Supreme court upheld that ruling after it was introduced. Surely, if there was a law that could be cited, there would be no conspiracy theory, or at the very least, it would be easily put to rest. But the biggest point on income tax that the film made was that there is no such law, which is why the IRS, its former commishioner, and every judge and congressmen can't cite such a law to quash the argument.

Dismiss the propaganda of a new world order, the council of foreign relations, power structure of world banks, ect ect, but the one thing that can easily be disproven, the one thing that can put an end to the income tax argument does not exist and is NOT in the 16th amendment. And that is enough reason for Americans to at least be curious and do real research on the subject.

But if you do subscribe to any of the theories presented, a great book on the subjects the film covered is "Hope for the Wicked: A Master Plan to Rule the World" by Ted Flynn.

 

[St. PJ]

Article V of the U.S. Constitution specifies the ratification process, and requires 3/4 of the States to ratify any amendment proposed by Congress. There were 48 States in the American Union in 1913, meaning that affirmative action of 36 states was required for ratification. In February, 1913, Secretary of State Philander Knox issued a proclamation claiming that 38 states had ratified the amendment.

In 1984, William J. Benson began a research project, never before performed, to investigate the process of ratification of the 16th Amendment. After traveling to the capitols of the New England states, and reviewing the journals of the state legislative bodies, he saw that many states had not ratified the Amendment. Continuing his research at the National Archives in Washington, DC, Bill Benson discovered his Golden Key. This damning piece of evidence is a 16 page memorandum from the Solicitor of the Department of State, whose duty is the provision of legal opinions for the use of the Secretary of State. In this memorandum sent to the Secretary of State, the Solicitor of the Department of State lists the many errors he found in the ratification process!

The 4 states listed below are among the 38 states that Philander Knox claimed ratification from.

The Kentucky Senate voted upon the resolution, but rejected it by a vote of 9 in favor and 22 opposed.
The Oklahoma Senate amended the language of the 16th Amendment to have a precisely opposite meaning.
The California legislative assembly never recorded any vote upon any proposal to adopt the amendment proposed by Congress.
The State of Minnesota sent nothing to the Secretary of State in Washington.
When his year long project was finished at the end of 1984, Bill had visited every state capitol and knew that not a single state had actually and legally ratified the proposal to amend the Constitution. 33 states engaged in the unauthorized activity of amending the language of the amendment proposed by congress, a power the states do not possess. Since 36 states were needed for ratification, the failure of 13 to ratify would be fatal to the amendment, and this occurs within the major (first three) defects tabulated in Defects in Ratification of the 16th Amendment. Even if we were to ignore defects of spelling, capitalization, and punctuation, we would still have only 2 states which successfully ratified.
http://www.thelawthatneverwas.com/new/home.asp


And the other side to the argument:

http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/jsiegel/Personal/taxes/IncomeTax.htm

 

[Domination]

wow this thread is still going? hell yeah...

 

[Saintman2884]

Yeah, this faux-pas video does seem to be very much re-hashing tired, intentionally anti-Semitic polemics disguised, slightly re-organized, and presented in a updated fashion. And Dads, the actual author of the Protocols were written by a Russian Orthodox priest in the 1890's in Paris, to justify the Czar's anti-Semitic policies. Of course, that's what it was presented at least on the surface, knowing the extreme European racial nationalism of the time, obvious forgery or a nice fictional tale was many Europeans needed to hear to and make more believable their entrenched prejudices towards Jews. It was all completely fanciful but the Protocols gave them that supposed credibility they wanted for justifying there belief systems. Then their was Karl Lueger, who cleverly and cynically manipulated the anti-Semitic views of Viennese Austrians for political gain to become mayor. His political tactics also had a tremendous impact on a young struggling art peddler named Adolph Hitler, who in the pre-WWI years was looking for more direction, meaning and purpose in his life after his art had been rejected and been refused admission into a prestigious Viennese arts academy.

It wasn't exempt to America, either. Read about the Leo Frank case in 1912 of an Jewish pencil factory owner in Atlanta that was falsely accused of raping a 18-19 girl named Mary Phagan. A vigilante mob came one afternoon to the local jail where Frank was being held in custody, overwhelmed or merely intimidated the police authorities, dragged Frank from his cell outside about 50-60 yards where they lynched him, and afterwards pictures were taken that not only survived but are on a historical exhibit at the SPLC in Montgomery, Alabama as well as in History Archives at Georgia Tech in downtown Atlanta. Even to this day, that murder is a dark shallow crime in the minds of many who live in Atlanta. It's a topic that is still very controversial and shameful to even discuss, one my brother found out for himself when he found out about the crime for the first time.
But the lynching of Leo Frank led to another dubious side effect: The rebirth of the original Ku Klux Klan, which was a fading memory by the early 20th century. Organized as the Knights of Mary Phagan, this group eventually found a national spokesman in William J. Simmons, a defrocked Methodist minister, into a fraternal secret society/stated principles they termed the Invisible Order. This 2nd incarnation of the Klan introduced cross-burning as a way of identification/celebration/indoctrination, as well as putting Jews, Catholics, organized labor, socialists, communists, and serving as a counter-faction to the more open Roaring Twenties, Prohibition, speakeasies, and the Jazz Age.

 

[St. PJ]

Yeah, this faux-pas video does seem to be very much re-hashing tired, intentionally anti-Semitic polemics disguised, slightly re-organized, and presented in a updated fashion. And Dads, the actual author of the Protocols were written by a Russian Orthodox priest in the 1890's in Paris, to justify the Czar's anti-Semitic policies. Of course, that's what it was presented at least on the surface, knowing the extreme European racial nationalism of the time, obvious forgery or a nice fictional tale was many Europeans needed to hear to and make more believable their entrenched prejudices towards Jews. It was all completely fanciful but the Protocols gave them that supposed credibility they wanted for justifying there belief systems. Then their was Karl Lueger, who cleverly and cynically manipulated the anti-Semitic views of Viennese Austrians for political gain to become mayor. His political tactics also had a tremendous impact on a young struggling art peddler named Adolph Hitler, who in the pre-WWI years was looking for more direction, meaning and purpose in his life after his art had been rejected and been refused admission into a prestigious Viennese arts academy.

It wasn't exempt to America, either. Read about the Leo Frank case in 1912 of an Jewish pencil factory owner in Atlanta that was falsely accused of raping a 18-19 girl named Mary Phagan. A vigilante mob came one afternoon to the local jail where Frank was being held in custody, overwhelmed or merely intimidated the police authorities, dragged Frank from his cell outside about 50-60 yards where they lynched him, and afterwards pictures were taken that not only survived but are on a historical exhibit at the SPLC in Montgomery, Alabama as well as in History Archives at Georgia Tech in downtown Atlanta. Even to this day, that murder is a dark shallow crime in the minds of many who live in Atlanta. It's a topic that is still very controversial and shameful to even discuss, one my brother found out for himself when he found out about the crime for the first time.
But the lynching of Leo Frank led to another dubious side effect: The rebirth of the original Ku Klux Klan, which was a fading memory by the early 20th century. Organized as the Knights of Mary Phagan, this group eventually found a national spokesman in William J. Simmons, a defrocked Methodist minister, into a fraternal secret society/stated principles they termed the Invisible Order. This 2nd incarnation of the Klan introduced cross-burning as a way of identification/celebration/indoctrination, as well as putting Jews, Catholics, organized labor, socialists, communists, and serving as a counter-faction to the more open Roaring Twenties, Prohibition, speakeasies, and the Jazz Age.

Do you find it interesting, conspirtal, or just coincidence that the day the KKK was outlawed was the same day the NRA came into existence?