Ft Worth police officer shoots woman to death inside her home (2 Viewers)

[Tapxe]

Problem in this case is that Ft. Worth is signficantly more affluent white than Dallas County is. I think they're far more likely to have a couple of Karens on the jury who will refuse to find the cop guilty than we were on the Botham Jean case. Especially with "omg she drew her gun!".

Unfortunately, that's exactly what I'm afraid will happen.

Especially if they have the 'let-me-speak-to-your-manager' haircut.

Can we please just let this play out without all the fears of failure being broadcast? From what I'm seeing, the PD there is reacting appropriately and it's now up to the prosecution.

Wild guesses based on stereotypical fears only cause frustration and anxiety about something which may or may not happen.

 

[Devildog]

Can we please just let this play out without all the fears of failure being broadcast? From what I'm seeing, the PD there is reacting appropriately and it's now up to the prosecution.

Wild guesses based on stereotypical fears only cause frustration and anxiety about something which may or may not happen.

I agree. I guess it's just the frustration that it has happened before and the cop usually walks.

Good advice, though.

 

[bigdaddysaints]

One best way to stop these kind of things from happening is make the officers who are not doing their jobs correctly, are held accountable, especially when it results in the death of an innocent person who was in their own home, regardless if she had a weapon, Had he done his job correctly and announced himself this would not have happened. The other way is to be more proactive in training the officers better.

 

[MLU]

One best way to stop these kind of things from happening is make the officers who are not doing their jobs correctly, are held accountable, especially when it results in the death of an innocent person who was in their own home, regardless if she had a weapon, Had he done his job correctly and announced himself this would not have happened. The other way is to be more proactive in training the officers better.

If she had been holding a weapon and fired it at the cop, wouldnt she be justified in shooting him for trespassing?

 

[bigdaddysaints]

Wouldn't the Castle Doctrine apply?

 

[Loose Cannon]

Can we please just let this play out without all the fears of failure being broadcast? From what I'm seeing, the PD there is reacting appropriately and it's now up to the prosecution.

Wild guesses based on stereotypical fears only cause frustration and anxiety about something which may or may not happen.

Whistling past the graveyard and "hoping for the best" is not how you get significant social change to happen. We've been doing that for hundreds of years, and in the year 2019, people are still murdered in their own homes while doing absolutely nothing wrong. Hoping for the best has gotten us nowhere.

Further, fear of failure and complete distrust of cops has been fully earned by the police. The only people to blame for said fear and distrust are the police themselves.

You are asking a society that is routinely taken advantage of and abused by the police to "give them the benefit of the doubt". It's like asking a woman whose ex-husband routinely beat her to hang out alone with him and "hope for the best". At best, it's tone-deaf, and at worst, it's an incredibly disrespectful and ignorant ask.

If you want people to give the police and the justice system the benefit of the doubt and not resort to immediately being suspicious or wary of them, tell them to stop murdering people. It's pretty simple, really.

 

[Tapxe]

Whistling past the graveyard and "hoping for the best" is not how you get significant social change to happen. We've been doing that for hundreds of years, and in the year 2019, people are still murdered in their own homes while doing absolutely nothing wrong. Hoping for the best has gotten us nowhere.

Further, fear of failure and complete distrust of cops has been fully earned by the police. The only people to blame for said fear and distrust are the police themselves.

You are asking a society that is routinely taken advantage of and abused by the police to "give them the benefit of the doubt". It's like asking a woman whose ex-husband routinely beat her to hang out alone with him and "hope for the best". At best, it's tone-deaf, and at worst, it's an incredibly disrespectful and ignorant ask.

If you want people to give the police and the justice system the benefit of the doubt and not resort to immediately being suspicious or wary of them, then tell them to stop murdering people. It's pretty simple, really.

Not quite whistling past the graveyard or any of that other stuff you say. Just asking we stop jumping to conclusions based on stereotypes. I'm all for calling out poor policing and holding them accountable. I just want to see where the system goes and so far the system in this case seems to be doing the right thing.

Let's acknowledge that and just wait. If it turns out as you fear, then yes, time to act once again.

 

[Taurus]

Not quite whistling past the graveyard or any of that other stuff you say. Just asking we stop jumping to conclusions based on stereotypes. I'm all for calling out poor policing and holding them accountable. I just want to see where the system goes and so far the system in this case seems to be doing the right thing.

Let's acknowledge that and just wait. If it turns out as you fear, then yes, time to act once again.

What we need is for egregious cases like this to end up with an indictment every time.

It's not that cops make mistakes or rush to judgement or fail to follow policy, it's that WAY too often, there's no consequences at all.

 

[Big_L]

Well, I for one, think all the facts need to be made public. Let the nation see what happened. It's not the court of public opinion, but since the police are public servants, all of the evidence should be publicly available.

 

[tomwaits]

I think a good first step is never allowing a department to investigate when there is an officer involved shooting. They should always be done by an independent 3rd party.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

I think a good first step is never allowing a department to investigate when there is an officer involved shooting. They should always be done by an independent 3rd party.

Nor a DA who has vested interest in staying on police good side

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

Not quite whistling past the graveyard or any of that other stuff you say. Just asking we stop jumping to conclusions based on stereotypes. I'm all for calling out poor policing and holding them accountable. I just want to see where the system goes and so far the system in this case seems to be doing the right thing.

Let's acknowledge that and just wait. If it turns out as you fear, then yes, time to act once again.

I was going to reply to LC but this works
By all means let’s deal with the stereotypes, but acknowledge that ‘hero cop’ is a deeply embedded part of our national mythos that needs to be unpacked
Police have always been agents of the state/status quo
If the state is being a good actor, then cool
If the state is propping up slavery or enforcing Jim Crow or killing people who are organizing for fair labor or arresting people for being gay or encouraging school to prison pipeline or any other regressive policy - that needs to be examined

In popular culture, we have the 70s as a time of overwhelming skepticism about policing - that was certainly not the only era with an abundance of police malfeasance
So we need to look at the propaganda that lifts cops above civil servants to blue shield white hats

 

[Flipx99]

The lack of policy for when a gun leaves a holster is an issue nationwide. A holstered gun gives police more time between action/reaction.

Just make certain that the people developing such policies know what they are talking about. For example, having one more task to do can also result in a decreased ability to focus and evaluate the risks.

 

[MLU]

Not quite whistling past the graveyard or any of that other stuff you say. Just asking we stop jumping to conclusions based on stereotypes.

Tell the cops to do it first.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Sad and tragic
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The father of Atatiana Jefferson, who was fatally shot in her home by a Fort Worth police officer in October, has died at 58.

Marquis Jefferson died of a heart attack Saturday evening at Methodist Charlton Medical Center in Dallas, Bruce Carter, a spokesman for Jefferson, told The Washington Post on Sunday. Carter said Jefferson was not ill before his heart attack although he had been overcome with grief since his daughter’s death.

“When you heard him talk about his daughter, you thought he was coping well because he always tried to have a smile,” Carter said. “But in the last three weeks, he just started wearing down day after day; he wasn’t his perky self.

“I didn’t know what a broken heart meant, but I feel like I’ve really witnessed a broken heart,” Carter added. The Jefferson family, meanwhile, must grieve another loss shortly after burying Atatiana.............

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/11/10/father-atatiana-jefferson-who-was-shot-dead-by-police-texas-four-weeks-ago-has-died/