Ghislaine Maxwell Trial (Epstein’s side piece) (15 Viewers)

I find the last paragraph (regarding politics) comical considering Kimmel’s stance on comedy and politics.





Some posters here continue to try to equivocate “being political” or alienating viewers or whatever on the part of Kimmel- to irresponsibly and casually tossing out accusations of PEDOPHILIA on the part of Rodgers.. Quit wasting ur time because YOU JUST CANT equate those two things and it makes you look foolish and partisan and like ur head is fully under the sand .
 
Some posters here continue to try to equivocate “being political” or alienating viewers or whatever on the part of Kimmel- to irresponsibly and casually tossing out accusations of PEDOPHILIA on the part of Rodgers.. Quit wasting ur time because YOU JUST CANT equate those two things and it makes you look foolish and partisan and like ur head is fully under the sand .
This thread is getting way more political than it should. I will no longer make political commentary as I don’t want to derail the thread.

I don’t care for either of these people’s politics, let alone enough to get this thread closed over it.
 
I just want to point out that people should be mindful when they read this kind of court material that testimony - whether it be in the form of deposition transcripts or written testimony such as a declaration or written discovery response - is not fact, nor is it original source material.

I'm seeing quite a bit of activity on social media and in less-than-scrupulous media quoting testimony from the court release as if it were fact, or at least strongly insinuating that the testimony establishes facts or presumptions. But testimony is nothing more than a person's view and memory about the events and is often wrong. While yes it is sworn with penalty of perjury, and that does assist credibility, it is nonetheless one person's account and faulty memory, mistaken belief, or confusion are not perjury but nonetheless make testimony inaccurate.

Credibility is a huge factor in weighing of the merit of testimony - and where testimony is corroborated by other material including original source documents, data, or other credible testimony, confidence grows in that testimony. Conversely, where testimony is shown to be unreliable by those same factors or others (including recantations and other impeachment), confidence is diminished.

Not all of the released material here is testimony. The flight logs, for example, are contemporaneous original source material that, unless shown to be unreliable for some reason, have a greater presumption of accuracy over a person's memory. But my point is simply that material is from a court record doesn't mean we give it weight on its own accord - every bit of evidence has to be considered as to its form, nature, and reliability.
 
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so you can understand the gravity of a situation where someone is being accused of being a pedophile when there is absolutlely zero evidence of it, just because those two don't like each other.
I don't think anyone in this thread is not agreeing that Rodgers took it way too far. But the fact of the matter is Kimmel has as well. Just because Rodgers took it further doesn't change the fact that Kimmel was out of line to begin with. Kimmel is petty & spiteful and Rodgers is obviously, overly vindictive. They are both in the wrong.
 
I don't think anyone in this thread is not agreeing that Rodgers took it way too far. But the fact of the matter is Kimmel has as well. Just because Rodgers took it further doesn't change the fact that Kimmel was out of line to begin with. Kimmel is petty & spiteful and Rodgers is obviously, overly vindictive. They are both in the wrong.



Again, NOT equal…. It cant be said enough .. it’s like if you said ’Mr Blue Sky , that post was out of line and you’re not a great poster’.. and then i came back with ‘Yeah well i met ur wife and not only is she 60 lbs overweight but she wasnt all that great in bed !’…. I mean, how is it even a conversation that these two things on the part of Kimmel and Rodgers are even in the same universe ? Unless you have some extreme agenda you are trying to push .
 
so you can understand the gravity of a situation where someone is being accused of being a pedophile when there is absolutlely zero evidence of it, just because those two don't like each other.
Yes. Again I don’t like Rodgers, I don’t find Kimmel funny. I know little of their feud and could care less about those two.
 
Let me say this. My opinion of rehabbing pedophiles is different than yours. I have not accused anyone in that list as a pedophile. But I was abused as a child by a family friend male, a family friend female an an uncle. Those moments in my life changed me and how I see and trust others among many other things. So you go ahead and preach from your lofty perch if you like.
How about I tell you about my time at after-school care at 7 years old? Or on the school bus at 9 years old where I was assigned a seat with a girl older than me who was touching me every day for months and the bus driver wouldn't listen?

And another thing. Aside from wondering what the hell as a 7 year old or a 10 year old an even a 14 year old again I was embarrassed. I told an aunt who took some money and moved on. Aside from saying this on here the only other person I have told what happened to me was my wife. 55 forking years old and I still live with that sheet.
Yea, me too. And I've only told my wife and this forum now, too.

None of that discredits anything I said.

I find the last paragraph (regarding politics) comical considering Kimmel’s stance on comedy and politics.
This is completely unrelated to the topic.

I don't think anyone in this thread is not agreeing that Rodgers took it way too far. But the fact of the matter is Kimmel has as well. Just because Rodgers took it further doesn't change the fact that Kimmel was out of line to begin with. Kimmel is petty & spiteful and Rodgers is obviously, overly vindictive. They are both in the wrong.
First of all, there are many in the thread saying that Kimmel had it coming because of past jokes.

They are not the same.
 
Again, NOT equal…. It cant be said enough .. it’s like if you said ’Mr Blue Sky , that post was out of line and you’re not a great poster’.. and then i came back with ‘Yeah well i met ur wife and not only is she 60 lbs overweight but she wasnt all that great in bed !’…. I mean, how is it even a conversation that these two things on the part of Kimmel and Rodgers are even in the same universe ? Unless you have some extreme agenda you are trying to push .
I don't think anyone is claiming them to be equal, certainly not me.
 
My opinion of rehabbing pedophiles is different than yours.
I also want to point out that nothing I posted was about "rehabbing pedophiles."

It was about pointing out the dangers of accusing people of being pedophiles without evidence, and the historical genocidal implications of those accusations, and also that we currently are seeing a pattern of one side targeting the other with these accusations.
 
I don't think anyone is claiming them to be equal, certainly not me.



You literally typed “They are both in the wrong”.. to anyone with even a tenuous grasp of the English language, that implies that they are both ‘guilty’ of similar, or basically, the same things.. I guess this is where we are when we even attempt to have an adult conversation in 2024 .
 
I don't think anyone in this thread is not agreeing that Rodgers took it way too far. But the fact of the matter is Kimmel has as well. Just because Rodgers took it further doesn't change the fact that Kimmel was out of line to begin with. Kimmel is petty & spiteful and Rodgers is obviously, overly vindictive. They are both in the wrong.
Again what are the things Kimmel has done
There have been plenty of allusions, but what are the specific accusations?
 

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