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But the question you’re all wondering is: IS IT A CHICK FLICK ?? The answer is: Only if you consider all musicals, by definition, chick flicks... I think the answer is No, but it really hinges on that question..... Also, sorry DR- but Worse Things I Could Do is probably my least favorite song in the whole film.. pretty much all the rest of them are great though.
No it isn't a chick flick. I enjoyed the movie as well. Sha na na had an important role in the movie as well. They were the opening act for the final day at Woodstock which was closed by Jimi Hendrix. The group was started by students from Columbia university. They weren't egg heads by any stretch of the imagination.
 

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I admit Madonna has good songs, and her personality is one of a kind.
Madonna at Danceteria in 1983 right before she EXPLODED

 
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2. a ballerina can spend their life perfecting their craft - can rise to the rank of Prima — that does not automatically mean they know much about dance history or choreography or teaching
Technical ability and cultural appreciation are not shared skills (sure, there may be overlap but someone who’s never danced a lick might be a better cultural arbiter than a prima ballerina)
Did a kind of edit: Balanchine deep dive awhile back because I realized I wouldn't be able to pick him out of a lineup. But I've always known about him and his reputation because I've always loved ballet but never wanted to be a dancer and certainly wouldn't be a good one (Turning Point certainly a movie I'll always watch).
 
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. And honest question, those other great singers, have they had anywhere near the phenomenal success Madonna has had for the length of time she's had? I can't think of any other than maybe Lady Gaga, Beyonce and probably Taylor Swift. Madonna in a lot of ways, blazed the trail for them.
I think I'd put Barbra and Cher in that list.
 

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I think I'd put Barbra and Cher in that list.

Yes, in the sense that they were well known before Madonna came around. Buy their target audiences and musical styles were wildly different. Streisand has an incredible voice, but her musical style puts me to sleep. I like some of Cher's stuff, but never really got into her broader body of work. I like Madonna's groovy, dance mix and she sings some solid ballads. I like that she's experimented with a number of different musical styles. Barbara's voice far exceeds Madonna’s, but Madonna's stage presence and entertainment factor is much batter than those two. But that's somewhat subjective too. Just how I see it from where I sit.
 

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Did a kind of Ballenchine deep dive awhile back because I realized I wouldn't be able to pick him out of a lineup. But I've always known about him and his reputation because I've always loved ballet but never wanted to be a dancer and certainly wouldn't be a good one (Turning Point certainly a movie I'll always watch).
Balanchine is a pretty amazing story
“Dancing for Mr B” is a great doc
 

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I think I'd put Barbra and Cher in that list.
It’s a bit tricky bc as ‘entertainers’ the context of their medium is important
Cher had her and other 70s variety shows that fueled her icon status
- Madonna (and Brittany, et al) had Mtv
- Beyoncé and Taylor have social media
Babs is probably the only one with a traditional ‘stage and screen’ stardom
 

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You ever see her on David Letterman as a guest? Truly must see t.v..
The one in 1994? Okay, just watched it. Looking at it through my feminist lenses .. and though I like Letterman, and I know she gets off on being rude .. Dave could be extremely sexist without realizing it.
 

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So was Cher. If you ever catch that interview. Check it out on YouTube.
And she was right. Like I said above, he was sexist. However, I don't think he meant to be, I just think he was kind of miserable.
 

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It’s a bit tricky bc as ‘entertainers’ the context of their medium is important
Cher had her and other 70s variety shows that fueled her icon status
- Madonna (and Brittany, et al) had Mtv
- Beyoncé and Taylor have social media
Babs is probably the only one with a traditional ‘stage and screen’ stardom
I picked Cher because I've always said she was hard working and then -- just when she was set to only be famous for her Bob Mackie outfits and a couple successful singles and her variety show with Sonny -- she set her sights on being a serious actress and so she almost -- but not quite -- has an EGOT.
 

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