Greta Van Fleet (formerly 'some kids that sound like Led Zeppelin') (1 Viewer)

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Y'all damn well know there were guys that were your age now in 1967-1970 that expressed similar sentiment about Zep: "They are bowlderizing the sound of the Delta Blues legends...so little craftsmanship and no subtlety...too much vamping and preening by the singer...etc. etc." :hihi:

Imagine if the concept of cultural appropriation was well-recognized back then!

These guys are pretty talented and the singer has pipes for sure. I don't have an issue with imitations or pastiche in music because its what leads to discovery of old classics. What hasn't been done in rock and roll by this point?

As an average white teenager, I did not come to Zeppelin through the Delta Blues, but rather came to Delta Blues through Zeppelin. What seems like stealing or copying or mimicry in the moment can later take on significance as a path to the source material for new listeners, especially with the streaming economy we have now.
Great post.

I think there is also some misconception that finding a band's music enjoyable or saying "hey check these guys out" is the same as saying they're great and should be adjudged to have true artistic merit. Saying a band sounds like Led Zeppelin should not be interpreted as saying the band is the next Led Zeppelin. I used to be much more critical about music than I am now - I'm entirely comfortable with the question of "do I enjoy listening to this?", and that's it. If you want to put on your music critic hat and try to defend the work on its merits, there's a time and place for that - but it isn't all the time.

But you're right that it is very rare for a rock act these days to not be derivative of some other great act - so much has been done and influences are often inescapable. The bands that get credit for innovation, these days, are doing it by taking elements of music that isn't actually true rock. So they become hybrids or even something altogether different. Artistic merit and inspired novelty aside, much of that music ceases to be rock. Some people don't like that - I'm fine with it, I enjoy many of those artists. But it's also cool and even refreshing when a band pulls off a classic rock sound in a youthful and energetic way.

You can play the "sounds like" game all day if you really want, especially when it comes to young artists. Indy darlings Car Seat Headrest sounds an awful lot like Pavement.

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The Allah-Las sound an awful lot like The Velvet Underground. Hell, REM thought they were ripping off the Velvet Underground when they got started.

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A copy of the style, and not bad on their own. However they don't grove. They are too stiff. People focus on Bonham's power, but the groove he had with the power was exceptional. The synchronize with John Paul Jones put a solid floor that both Page and Plant could take their times to shine, yet not overpower. The singer was trying to hard to take the accent points Plant had without the softer subleness that Plant did in a lot of areas, and the reason why at 70 he can still perform and sing well where many other singers voices are completely shot. Sure he's lost the range he had but the style he always had is still there wether it's Zeppelin at the O2 or his work with Alison Krauss. The guitar player while having some raw talent, doesn't have Page's light touch. Yes I know Page was a tremendously sloppy player. But the feelings and emotion he got these guys just don't have. It's like a good cover. It's notes are there. The emotion and style is not.

https://youtu.be/IC6SwzXvyzw early Zeppelin

Agreed, I'll see if I can find the video I saw several years ago. A young guitarist came up to Eric Clapton and said " I can play purple haze standing on my head"
Clapton said "forget it mate, it's already been done". "If you want to make your mark in this industry,invent your own style"
 

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Y'all damn well know there were guys that were your age now in 1967-1970 that expressed similar sentiment about Zep: "They are bowlderizing the sound of the Delta Blues legends...so little craftsmanship and no subtlety...too much vamping and preening by the singer...etc. etc." :hihi:
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There's a difference. These kids sound EXACTLY like LZ. You're talking about Zeppelin adopting (or appropriating, as the modern SJW loves to say) bluesy concepts and integrating it with rock and roll/hard rock.

So, since there may be people talking about how LZ sounds exactly like Delta Blues legends, why don't you and SuperChuck (who thought your post was great) provide some sources. I'd love to hear the "delta blues legends" who LZ sounds exactly like. You're not going to provide it, because it doesn't exist.
 
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There's a difference. These kids sound EXACTLY like LZ. You're talking about Zeppelin adopting (or appropriating, as the modern SJW loves to say) bluesy concepts and integrating it with rock and roll/hard rock.

So, since there may be people talking about how LZ sounds exactly like Delta Blues legends, why don't you and SuperChuck (who thought your post was great) provide some sources. I'd love to hear the "delta blues legends" who LZ sounds exactly like. You're not going to provide it, because it doesn't exist.

Don't rope me into your challenges! Just because I liked his post doesn't mean I have to prove it's true - I was more referring to the second part anyway. That said, I do think he's right that some people disliked LZ for what they were doing with delta blues, though not that they sounded exactly like it. Nor do I think that Count ever made that representatiion.

That said, I do think you have a point about taking something in a new and inspired direction versus merely reproducing it.
 

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Just for the record, I didn't say they sound just like, merely stated sound like, as in it has a ring to it.

I don't know about them being "talented". They play and sound like a decent HS band, but that's it.

As for your last statements about Page and Bonham, I'll just let it go because you are blinded by your LZ colored glasses :hihi:
That dude's voice is astounding, and I took about 15 years of singing lessons. Say what you will about the other guys, but the singer is legit.
 

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Y'all damn well know there were guys that were your age now in 1967-1970 that expressed similar sentiment about Zep: "They are bowlderizing the sound of the Delta Blues legends...so little craftsmanship and no subtlety...too much vamping and preening by the singer...etc. etc." :hihi:

Imagine if the concept of cultural appropriation was well-recognized back then!

These guys are pretty talented and the singer has pipes for sure. I don't have an issue with imitations or pastiche in music because its what leads to discovery of old classics. What hasn't been done in rock and roll by this point?

As an average white teenager, I did not come to Zeppelin through the Delta Blues, but rather came to Delta Blues through Zeppelin. What seems like stealing or copying or mimicry in the moment can later take on significance as a path to the source material for new listeners, especially with the streaming economy we have now.
I don't know why you quoted me. I am just saying, they do have a LZ ring to them, and I don't think they are talented. There's nothing special about the music or the playing. To me, talent is something special, not a HS garage band.
 

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Heard them for the first time ever today on da radio... Freakin rocking and I dig it...

Awesome Blues album BTW....

 

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There's a difference. These kids sound EXACTLY like LZ. You're talking about Zeppelin adopting (or appropriating, as the modern SJW loves to say) bluesy concepts and integrating it with rock and roll/hard rock.

So, since there may be people talking about how LZ sounds exactly like Delta Blues legends, why don't you and SuperChuck (who thought your post was great) provide some sources. I'd love to hear the "delta blues legends" who LZ sounds exactly like. You're not going to provide it, because it doesn't exist.
Some of that "adopting" was taking old blues riffs and lyrics whole cloth and incorporating them into larger compositions. It wasn't limited to the level of "concepts." And it wasn't done commonly accepted form of covers, but of literally stealing the music and failing to give credit.

The fact that they stole others' work - or "interpreted" it, as it were - really doesn't make me like them any less. That was my point: they were actually a gateway to many new types of music for me. It's kind of what makes rock music special anyway.

I love LZ and do consider them to be the finest rock band that has thus far existed, but you must acknowledge that the versatility and identity you attribute to the band now did not exist when they were 20 years old.

Even performing a truly credible Zep impersonation is worthwhile to me because it's so difficult. Of the many that try, the vast majority fail. I don't think Chuck's point was that this band is comparable in quality to Zeppelin or will ever be.

People get very touchy about LZ comparisons and I find it kinda funny.
 

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I don't know why you quoted me. I am just saying, they do have a LZ ring to them, and I don't think they are talented. There's nothing special about the music or the playing. To me, talent is something special, not a HS garage band.
And I'm telling you that if you don't think that singer is talented then you really have no idea what you are talking about.

I'm sure you liked them before they were cool.
 

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Some of that "adopting" was taking old blues riffs and lyrics whole cloth and incorporating them into larger compositions. It wasn't limited to the level of "concepts." And it wasn't done commonly accepted form of covers, but of literally stealing the music and failing to give credit.

The fact that they stole others' work - or "interpreted" it, as it were - really doesn't make me like them any less. That was my point: they were actually a gateway to many new types of music for me. It's kind of what makes rock music special anyway.

I love LZ and do consider them to be the finest rock band that has thus far existed, but you must acknowledge that the versatility and identity you attribute to the band now did not exist when they were 20 years old.

Even performing a truly credible Zep impersonation is worthwhile to me because it's so difficult. Of the many that try, the vast majority fail. I don't think Chuck's point was that this band is comparable in quality to Zeppelin or will ever be.

People get very touchy about LZ comparisons and I find it kinda funny.


When Zeppelin recorded Led Zeppelin 1, page and Jones were 22 and Plant and Bonham were 19, which makes them younger than these guys. So, the argument that Zeppelin was just like these kids isn't entirely correct.

While yes Zeppelin did steal large chunks from blues artists (as did the Beatles and the Stones. It was a common practice in the late 60s, early 70s) it wasn't simply attempting to copy somebody the best you can. The lead singer is copying the style, moves, singing mannerisms of Plant. I guess my issue is if he is talented, then simply show yourself, because until he makes it his own, he is not going to get to the next step. But then again it worked for David Coverdale for years so who knows maybe I'm wrong.


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