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Doug B

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100% agree.

It amazes me how myopic some of y’all are being with this.. Last night was ONE GAME.. Sure, it woulda been nice to get a win.. but the old cliche has never been more true than it is here- It’s a marathon, not a sprint... As a Pels fan and (former) season ticket holder, a Zion fan and a fan of the city of New Orleans- winning the game last night, or the game tomorrow night, or even making the playoffs THIS year- none of it means a fraction as much as watching Zion play for 15 yrs, light up the NBA, win multiple titles for NOLA and becoming the legend he’s got the potential to be.

Just relax guys.
(Deep breaths, deep breaths ... )

I'm a little concerned about it being a Greg Oden or Sam Bowie situation. I guess it's way too early to bail on Zion, though.
 

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See, and I thought I remembered hearing about that but somehow we still are hobbled with injuries. Is it the environment and nobody knows how to pre-emptively account for these injuries in Louisiana climate or is it the food. High salt content causing dehydration and weight gain(like so many good DL/OL Saints players who suffered weight gain here). Something has to be the cause of this and needs to be adjusted.

I agree with pulling Zion. He was sweating bullets and was getting winded. He's certainly not in game shape yet. But he was pulled at the most inopportune moment. I agree with so many. He should have come of the bench not started but hindsight is 20/20. If Gentry is as good as he thinks he is, maybe he'll adjust for this until chemistry develops and his conditioning is up to snuff. I would have preferred his remaining time to come at the end to close out the game rather than to start the 4th. Again, hindsight and all.

Now my biggest gripe is, the rest of the team seemed to be playing half-heartedly. Zion brought an energy with him when he was in those last few minutes. I don't see that in anybody else. Zion gave them the lead and the rest of the team should have been able to keep it closer if not taken the momentum and run with it, but with so many 4th quarter fails they lost focus and fell apart. It's disheartening but it's only one game and I can't wait for the next game to see how Gentry responds with how he plays Zion and has him play with everyone else.

FYI, I enjoyed the hell out of that 4th quarter until Zion came out. The excitement with him is palpable. If I had the money and time, I'd be going to games.
lets give the new medical staff a chance...I really heard some amazing things about what they do with players for injury prevention. Remember, most of our players and this training staff were acquired in the offseason. this training staff hasn't even had a chance to work with these players for a full season

and I have watched pretty much every game this season. This team has been playing with a lot of energy and heart. IMO, inserting Zion like they did was a disruption to chemistry and the flow these players had found. It takes time for a unit of 5 to learn how to think as one and, as you pointed out, the injuries along with the fact that these players had never played together before really hampered progress.

Like I already said....if playing Zion like they did was Gentry's decision, then he lost that game for us. If it was what the training staff wanted, then the game was a sacrifice to get Zion going. We already know that it wasn't Gentry's decision to pull Zion at the end of the game

My prediction is that we get the 8th spot, and if the Lakers are healthy they beat us 4-2 but they will know they were in a fight
 

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lets give the new medical staff a chance...I really heard some amazing things about what they do with players for injury prevention. Remember, most of our players and this training staff were acquired in the offseason. this training staff hasn't even had a chance to work with these players for a full season

and I have watched pretty much every game this season. This team has been playing with a lot of energy and heart. IMO, inserting Zion like they did was a disruption to chemistry and the flow these players had found. It takes time for a unit of 5 to learn how to think as one and, as you pointed out, the injuries along with the fact that these players had never played together before really hampered progress.

Like I already said....if playing Zion like they did was Gentry's decision, then he lost that game for us. If it was what the training staff wanted, then the game was a sacrifice to get Zion going. We already know that it wasn't Gentry's decision to pull Zion at the end of the game

My prediction is that we get the 8th spot, and if the Lakers are healthy they beat us 4-2 but they will know they were in a fight
To your first point- True. I won't discount it. I'm in healthcare and study sports science myself. Just frustrating.

To your second point- They start games with a lot of energy (but not nearly the amount Zion brought in the 4th) but in the games they drop, something happens where the 4th quarter is a drag. Like their misses in the previous three quarters weigh them down or something and they just lose focus. Or when they take a 20 point lead and blow it. In their losses, they lack that drive to finish. In their current win streak, they've found that will to win but again, at times, they seem to lose it.

To the point of Zion throwing off chemistry, I completely agree. It took nearly a quarter or more of the season for these veterans and rookies to find their rhythm. Their identity. I expect that to now shift with Zion coming into the lineup. When a team loses or shifts their identity, there's bound to be a lack of rhythm and focus. It'll come and I see that leap coming.

Gentry specifically stated it wasn't his decision to pull Zion and again I agree with pulling him. *Sigh* Just wish the timing of his minutes would have been better. Had he been in the last 4-5 minutes of the 4th, would we have won the game? Maybe, maybe not we won't know, but it'll be fun to see what he can do when given the chance next time.

I'd love to get the 8th seed but even if we don't the season is not a bust by any means. It's entertainment and I'm getting that so far with the wins so kudos to the organization for that. They've finally brought a buzz for basketball back to New Orleans that hasn't been seen since maybe the closest thing being Pistol Pete at LSU.
 

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this was his first career pro game, he scored 22 in limited minutes. That’s a pretty good breaking imo
Not exactly what I meant. Having knee surgery at 19 is concerning. Zion might play 80 games a year for the next decade and make all that concern seem silly down the road.

I guess one could look at Joel Embiid -- he only played 31 games his rookie year and is now an unquestioned All-Star. But on closer inspections, Embiid is missing 18+ games a season himself. Load management trend, or broken-down body?

EDIT: Ack! Worse than I thought -- Embiid missed two full seasons, and then played 31 games in his first season back. Great asset when available ... but ...
 

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Not exactly what I meant. Having knee surgery at 19 is concerning. Zion might play 80 games a year for the next decade and make all that concern seem silly down the road.

I guess one could look at Joel Embiid -- he only played 31 games his rookie year and is now an unquestioned All-Star. But on closer inspections, Embiid is missing 18+ games a season himself. Load management trend, or broken-down body?

EDIT: Ack! Worse than I thought -- Embiid missed two full seasons, and then played 31 games in his first season back. Great asset when available ... but ...
from what I saw on the Pelicans forums, this shouldn't be a long term problem...especially with the work he is getting on his mechanics

while I realize Zion's production will take away from others a bit, we are still talking about adding a player that is capable of putting up 20+ points a game, increasing our rebounds, and providing immense versatility on defense. currently he is 6'6" and still growing. we are going to probably end up with a 6'8", 260 pound forward with the athleticism to single up on opposing guards one on one
 

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(Deep breaths, deep breaths ... )

I'm a little concerned about it being a Greg Oden or Sam Bowie situation. I guess it's way too early to bail on Zion, though.
He walks like Greg Oden did.

I'm not trying to put that evil on you or anything. I like Zion and I hope he stays healthy, because he's absurdly fun to watch and is good for the league. Just something I noticed last night.
 

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This is all well and good ... but if Zion was not medically able to go 30-35 minutes, then he should just sit out longer.

The docs say you can't play a full game? Then you can't help a team yet. Playing 15 minutes a night for two months isn't worth it. Come back ready for a full night out, or else stay out longer.

I'll never understand modern pro sports load management. Zion had already sat out three months for what was initially billed a 6-8 week recovery. He has been practicing for over a month, and full-practicing for at least two weeks.

So at this point ... is there really a medically-discernible risk difference between playing 18 minutes and playing, say, 22 minutes? Really? I don't believe it. I just don't.
Pelicans Medical Staff > Doug B

I mean, these guys are known to be not just the best in basketball, but among the best in all of professional sports. Their understanding and handling of injury, rehab and treatment is legendary in the industry. Much of NBA sports medical treatment and rehab was created under Aaron Nelson and the people he has mentored. You'll have to forgive me if I dismiss your opinion for their actual knowledge. This goes double when you consider the poor reputation the Pels have historically in regards to their handling of player recovery and how far this goes to reversing that stigmata.
 

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Much of NBA sports medical treatment and rehab was created under Aaron Nelson and the people he has mentored.
Is this why NBA players don't approach 80 games anymore? Maybe not even 75.

Or in baseball, why guys like Stephen Strasburg get yanked after 70 pitches?
 

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It wasn't Gentry. I understand that ESPN is reporting that Gentry got into it with medical staff every time Zion got pulled. Then there is this
Basically, Gentry's hands were tied

 

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While this^ is certainly true, the Pels looked like they were trying to shoot into a thimble from the 3-point arc until Zion came in with his flurry of 3s. If we could have made just a few of those continuous misses last night it would have been a win despite Aldridge's big night.

I'm putting this one on the poor shooting percentage waaaaaay more than because of what Aldridge managed to do.
But it goes hand in hand. We arent a post up/jump shot team. If we cant get into transition ball, then we are relegated to that and thats NOT our style of play.

So slowing the pace and getting points thru Aldridge was KEY for the Spurs. They played inside out and hit their jumpers when needed.

No doubt we were off shooting for sure. But we also were down on attempts - due to the pace.

we will get better as Zion works into the starting 5
 

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