Hard no on that proposed CBA.--J.J Watt (1 Viewer)

[Floridalsusaintsfan]

It means he is a dummy, and was one of the lucky players that made millions. It happens. All you can say. Glad he did.

You don't know much about Marshawn. Never spent his NFL checks. Saved his money. Seems pretty smart to me.

 

[sfidc3]

You make a great point......a really good one, however......it is a player’s choice to put their health on the line for what they sign a contract for. These dudes live the greatest life. Fame, fortune, and glory. All the while getting the benefits of top notch health care and lifestyle. Now that is NOT the end all be all, but they are playing a game. Let that sink in, a game. These guys don’t clock into 9-5, 7-7, or whatever. What they make now isn’t chump change and it’s more than an average hardworking person will ever see in 20 lifetimes. If I was offered just one of their contracts, I’d put my life on the line, without thinking twice. So let’s not pretend that these guys are having to think if they or their families will go hungry in the foreseeable future. I 100% think that their contracts should be guaranteed and they deserve every penny, being that they play a gladiator-style (although watered down now) sport, but I’m not crying or feeling sympathetic if they feel like they are underpaid. If anything, I feel sympathetic to the players in the past, that actually played through an era of hard hitting real football and made pennies compared to these cupcakes these days. In addition, every player reserves the right to save their money, invest, or make it to where they won’t go broke. Some succeed, some fail. Once again, I have zero sympathy for someone who doesn’t use their resources to set themselves up for a good future. And as of right now, these dudes are getting paid way more than the vast population. So if they get everything they want, then cool. If not, I won’t cry. And, at the end of the day, these guys won’t help you provide for yourself or your family (if you have one). So be cautious about what you would be willing to give up for someone that has everything right now (compared to us) and feels like they are deserving of more. Just playing devil’s advocate here.

Do you have zero sympathy for a high percentage of players suffering from CTE? Do you honestly think that most of them realize what they are setting themselves up for in the name of "toughness"? I think if you saw some of those ex-players at 50 with CTE you may feel a bit more humanely about them trying to get us much as they can from the totally "good-guy" billionaire owners....

How about they gi e money back when they sign a big contract and dont perform? Wheres the owners guarantee that the players is going to perform? Owners take all the financial risk.

NFL owners and risk? You have to be joking, even Dan Snyder can't screw up the most dysfunctional franchises worth. The huge TV contracts eliminate most of the risk....Just about any owner could sell his team for a monsterous profit.....

 

[SweetT]

Do you have zero sympathy for a high percentage of players suffering from CTE? Do you honestly think that most of them realize what they are setting themselves up for in the name of "toughness"? I think if you saw some of those ex-players at 50 with CTE you may feel a bit more humanely about them trying to get us much as they can from the totally "good-guy" billionaire owners....



NFL owners and risk? You have to be joking, even Dan Snyder can't screw up the most dysfunctional franchises worth. The huge TV contracts eliminate most of the risk....Just about any owner could sell his team for a monsterous profit.....

I will say it one more time for you who fail to understand, I’m all for players getting what THEY feel they deserve AND I think their contracts SHOULD BE guaranteed (3rd time I’m saying this). HOWEVER, they are well AWARE of the RISKS of playing football. So, THEY have a CHOICE (being the most important word of all) whether they want to accept those RISKS or NOT. No one is forcing them to play football. THEY are CHOOSING to play the game. Do I want to see any player get injured or suffer long term from playing??? Not at all, but there ARE risks and they should weigh their options heavily before they sign any contract. Just saying.

 

[DSnfla]

Get that garbage outta here. The NFL may not have big market supremacy but this entire forum just spent the last season constantly discussing how the league was fixing things for their golden boy franchises like GB, SF, etc., and we literally had a SB appearance stolen from us and given to L.A. I'll gladly take a future where the Saints never win another SB if it means that the players that put their health into a trash compactor so we can have entertainment don't end up homeless or unable to pay medical bills cuz their career ended after a year or two and they got gutted by 7-figure medical bills.

There are VERY few people out there that would not say no to an NFL career knowing the risks , the lowest paid rookie makes half a million a yr, Average player makes 2.7 million . Name me a player that has played in the last 20 yrs that is homeless that was not his own fault!!! Vested players after they retire get 5 yrs health coverage . Show me where in the last 20 yrs a former player has racked up millions of $ in med coverage due to injuries during his playing career . Not gonna play the poor pitiful former player game and give them fully guaranteed contracts . Most of their contracts are guaranteed right now

 

[DSnfla]

Having soft or no salary caps is what destroyed parity in those leagues not guaranteed contracts. The two things are not the same. Your anxiety is sorely misplaced.

What has made those leagues go down is not so much hard caps ( and the NBA is not so hard ) but the lack of a franchise tag , letting players half way make their own teams . The way the NFL is set up is the best way to keep quality and insure that when a player signs a big contract and then gets injured the team does not suffer in the quality of play by being handcuffed with a contract on a player that can't play

 

[DSnfla]

I never said they were underpaid. I implied that they deserve guaranteed contracts. It's not an absurd idea considering that the owners can cut them at basically any point and move on yet they have no say over leaving a team until they're a free agent. The idea of even calling that a contract is a laughable sham. Also, how does them being "overpaid" pertain to this situation? The money exists cuz rubes like us keep direct depositing our checks right into the NFL's bank account and the owners get a ridiculous cut for just being a bunch of old dudes that drink gin and tonic in their luxury box while these dudes are getting concussed.

Guaranteeing a contract won't raise their yearly salary while they're playing. It'll just be a huge safety net to deal with shirt like early onset dementia, CTE, chronic back issues, etc. It's just funny how all of your argument is about the players making too much but you seemingly have zero issue with the owners making way more for doing way less. And I honestly have zero issues with hypothetically or unhypothetically giving up any possibility of the Saints ever winning another SB if it were to keep even one vulnerable, disheveled, 50 year old former player from sleeping on the street while possibly not even being aware of their surroundings due to brain trauma. I think any non-butt crevasse would make that "sacrifice" (the quotes are because it's far from even being a real sacrifice to give up the chances of your team winning something that has no realistic bearing over your own life.)

Are you missing the point that 60% of NFL contracts ARE guaranteed?? Teams cannot just cut a player with no repercussions . And how about the players that sign big contracts and then stink up the field ? Or become head cases like Antonio Brown I guess they should be paid a full contract no matter what . The owner of an NFL team is just like the owner of a business ,only the $ amount is more They put a LOT of their OWN money into their business . franchises are NOT just given out or given away . You must begrudge a business owner that is successful , probably say he;s making his $ off the backs of his employees . This seems to be a political stance from you, almost socialist . I don't begrudge players making the amount of $ they do nor do I the owners For you it seems to be a socio-political issue of the big bad owner and the poor underpaid player

 

[Merl]

There is a reason the NFLPA doesn't push for all contracts to be fully guaranteed. They know that if that ever happens then a max length deal will be 4 years and only for top 10 Qb's that have little injury history., 3 years at most for other high end players with little injuries, and 2 years for all others. Also, signing bonus's will become a thing of the past. On top of that there will be strict clauses that will void a contract for conduct detrimental.

 

[black_floyd]

Are you missing the point that 60% of NFL contracts ARE guaranteed?? Teams cannot just cut a player with no repercussions . And how about the players that sign big contracts and then stink up the field ? Or become head cases like Antonio Brown I guess they should be paid a full contract no matter what . The owner of an NFL team is just like the owner of a business ,only the $ amount is more They put a LOT of their OWN money into their business . franchises are NOT just given out or given away . You must begrudge a business owner that is successful , probably say he;s making his $ off the backs of his employees . This seems to be a political stance from you, almost socialist . I don't begrudge players making the amount of $ they do nor do I the owners For you it seems to be a socio-political issue of the big bad owner and the poor underpaid player

When the hell did I say I was against conduct clauses or that I think players should be kept under contract when doing things detrimental to the team? Keep it on topic, homie.

 

[livefromDC]

There is a reason the NFLPA doesn't push for all contracts to be fully guaranteed. They know that if that ever happens then a max length deal will be 4 years and only for top 10 Qb's that have little injury history., 3 years at most for other high end players with little injuries, and 2 years for all others. Also, signing bonus's will become a thing of the past. On top of that there will be strict clauses that will void a contract for conduct detrimental.

Players would love shorter guaranteed contracts. It would increase their ability to profit because new salaries would be negotiated up constantly. Marshawn Lynch purposely shied away from longer contracts for this reason.

There's already strict clauses in contracts. Owners aren't waiting to make them more strict. This is simply off base on both accounts.

 

[State Of Affairs]

The thing you're missing, Semper, is that if a player under performs he can be cut. If a player over performs, he has very little room to maneuver.

If owners guaranteed contracts, hold outside disappear. Do you see holdouts in other sports? No, because the contracts are what they signed and not back loaded slight of hand tricks. Teams can cut players that are underperforming and good players who they simply dont want to pay. The full value of a contract is rarely achievedin the NFL. Theres good players being released this week because teams don't want to make good on a contract they negotiated because the last year or 2 of the contracts see salary jumps. But when a player holds out with 1 or 2 years left he gets criticized. But when a player that's performing well gets cut to avoid being paid, no one blinks an eye.

So I say, how about team's honor the contracts they doled out.

Omg, this argument again. Owners DO honor the contract. A contract is an agreement and if the agreement includes an option to terminate the contact at any point for any reason, THATS THE CONTRACT. The 2nd party has the option of negotiating a contract to get as much as they can get. If they want a contract that states they can void the contract if they exceed certain goals, then negotiate it.

The players do try to get as much as they can, fully guaranteed, escalators, Bonuses EVERYTHING but when the team says enough, the player SIGNS THE AGREEMENT and the agreement includes an option to terminate the contract and the player signs it.

I want the players to get as much as they can, but I hate when fans make them out to be victims. They sign it, honor it.

 

[DSnfla]

When the hell did I say I was against conduct clauses or that I think players should be kept under contract when doing things detrimental to the team? Keep it on topic, homie.

I said a lot about the topic , you picked out one small part of mt conversation to address , CONDUCT. You're cherry picking my response homebro

 

[black_floyd]

I said a lot about the topic , you picked out one small part of mt conversation to address , CONDUCT. You're cherry picking my response homebro

Nah, domicilebro. I'm calling out your blatant misconstruing of my words.

 

[DSnfla]

Call who you want , your words were very clear and spoke loud to everyone." the owners get a ridiculous cut for just being a bunch of old dudes that drink gin and tonic in their luxury box while these dudes are getting concussed. "
That's a socio-political comment if ever there was one . Yeah we need to stick it to da man

 

[Loose Cannon]

Thank Jesus someone finally stuck up for the billionaires. They were being mistreated in this thread until their hero came along to right the injustices being perpetrated on these men who make more money in a single day than an average man makes in 45 years.

I'm of the mind that we need to stick up for all mistreated and downtrodden people. People of color, women, LGBTQ, and billionaires need our support more than ever.

 

[Merl]

Players would love shorter guaranteed contracts. It would increase their ability to profit because new salaries would be negotiated up constantly. Marshawn Lynch purposely shied away from longer contracts for this reason.

There's already strict clauses in contracts. Owners aren't waiting to make them more strict. This is simply off base on both accounts.

1. Only the older veteran players are looking for short contracts. The 4-5 year guys want 5-6 year deals.

2, Either not strict enough or not enforced.