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This is an interesting claim. It's clearly a dirty play by Reid, and quite possibly a lie, but he has it out there in the ether now.

I wonder if there aren't charges that can be brough against Reid for revealing this info?

Harry Reid: FBI has evidence of Donald Trump-Russia collusion | NOLA.com

I doubt it's a lie.

I'm sure that the FBI has been investigating people like Paul Manafort who have ties to Russia. We are essentially at war with Russia. At the moment, it is primarily a cyber war, but it is war nonetheless.

I am not sure what evidence that the FBI might have, or what compelling reason they would have to make that evidence public.
 

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This election is so sad.

I really would not be surprised if Reid is telling the truth, or mostly the truth.
 

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This election is so sad.

I really would not be surprised if Reid is telling the truth, or mostly the truth.
Seriously. In his letter claiming that Comey has violated the Hatch Act, Reid 100% violates the Hatch Act. We currently have crap for leadership in this country....
 

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If Reid is truthin', then he is revealing the subject matter of a classified briefing.

If he is lyin', well then he is just lyin' as a surrogate for the Clinton campaign.

Since choice A opens Reid up to legal problems, my guess is B.
 

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I doubt it's a lie...I am not sure what evidence that the FBI might have
You know how I feel about Trump, so I don't need to explain myself, but...:shrug:

As Jim said, nothing would shock me, but let's not get ahead of ourselves here. I'd rather wait til it's proven out before I make any kind of judgement on this.

Reid has essentially painted himself into a corner. He's either lying, and thus is a Clinton shill (which he is anyway). Or, it's true and he's revealing information from a classified source, which sets all kinds of dangerous precedent.

But then, Reid is one of the worst politicians out there, so, nothing surprises me with him.
 

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If Reid is truthin', then he is revealing the subject matter of a classified briefing.

If he is lyin', well then he is just lyin' as a surrogate for the Clinton campaign.

Since choice A opens Reid up to legal problems, my guess is B.
You know how I feel about Trump, so I don't need to explain myself, but...:shrug:

Reid has essentially painted himself into a corner. He's either lying, and thus is a Clinton shill (which he is anyway). Or, it's true and he's revealing information from a classified source, which sets all kinds of dangerous precedent.

But then, Reid is one of the worst politicians out there, so, nothing surprises me with him.
Reid is not running for reelection, so he is the perfect fall guy in this situation. What he said doesn't necessarily open him up to any prosecution, but would probably result in him losing the ability to view classified materials going forward. Which he I imagine he couldn't care less about. At worst, he could be fined and jailed for a maximum of one year.

If he's lying, then he can't face the music in a reelection bid, so there's nothing the state of Nevada or the congress at large can do to him. And he would go out a champion for sacrificing his reputation for the good of the progressive agenda.


If we're being honest here, it is a win win scenario for him. And just crazy that this is where we are at in our political system.
 

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He's not an executive branch employee. He can't violate the act.
Well, I mean the overall intent of the law. Technically, no, he can't violate the act. But he did in real life terms violate the intended purpose of the rule. He just can't be punished for it.
 

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Didn't Bush do something similar to John Kerry with those swift guys? Trying to say Kerry was no war hero?
 

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Well, I mean the overall intent of the law. Technically, no, he can't violate the act. But he did in real life terms violate the intended purpose of the rule. He just can't be punished for it.
I disagree on the purpose. It's to eliminate executive branch employees of pushing support for a candidate.

Senators/Reps are supposed to be political creatures and play favorites, so there is no spirit of the law against them either.

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Yea, it'd be kind of hard to run for reelection without violating the Hatch Act.
 

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I disagree on the purpose. It's to eliminate executive branch employees of pushing support for a candidate.

Senators/Reps are supposed to be political creatures and play favorites, so there is no spirit of the law against them either.
As is the President. But this is somewhat different in my estimation than say going to stump for a New Mexico alderman or holding a rally for Clinton/Kaine.

I guess it was a false equivalency on my part to equate the two, but to call out Comey for a Hatch violation with that as a part of the letter is just wrong. It's like rubbing his nose in the fact that you can do what he can't. And I couldn't think of another way to verbalize that.
 

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I said this in the other thread, I think it's a direct response to the Comey memo. You have all these people putting this information out into the news cycle, and they understand that people are dumb enough to completely buy into it even if there's zero substance or evidence that it's true.
 

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I said this in the other thread, I think it's a direct response to the Comey memo. You have all these people putting this information out into the news cycle, and they understand that people are dumb enough to completely buy into it even if there's zero substance or evidence that it's true.
I agree that people are dumb, and thus it may leave no choice but to get into the gutter. I think the extra emails Comey has uncovered are an example of something that probably has no substance, yet can make a huge impact, thus is wrong, whether it is a violation of the Hatch Act or not. Likewise, it is wrong for Reid to reveal things that could weigh the election in the other direction, but if Comey is not going to play fair, then I support fighting fire with fire. If Comey does have evidence of collusion with the Russians and Trump, as Reid implies, then that is far more critical than emails from Huma. On no planet should those be considered equivalent, and if Comey is withholding such evidence, then he should be in jail for manipulating this election. Based on their life's work, it is certainly much more believable that Trump has colluded and is a traitor than that Hillary is a traitor. Trump is like a multinational company with no allegiance to this country and only intends to profit regardless of the impact to the U.S, while Hillary is a like a U.S. company trying to produce for the U.S. and make money in the process. They both have self-interest, but only one also cares about America.
 

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