Has the recent politicization of the Saints decreased your enthusiasm for or interest in the Saints? (1 Viewer)

Has the recent politicization of the Saints decreased your enthusiasm for or interest in the Saints?

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As a former political science major, this interests me. What do you think?
Malcolm Jenkins could have called Drew on the phone, or texted him. He chose to create unrest publically to draw attention to himself, not much of a captain. Now, he states he doesnt want to play. Easy to do when u have guaranteed money. What a loser, I'd rather Jarius Byrd or Terbucky. They couldn't play, but they were good teammates..It's been a long time since Jenkins knew what struggling was....Give the money back , we'll sign someone whose focus is football.
 

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I am one of the old timers on this board and have been a Saints fan since 1967 when I was in the Marine Corps. I have endured decades of poor seasons, draft mistakes and poor coaching and remained loyal. I am, however, pretty much done as the tone of any discussion always starts with the assumption that everyone who disagrees or even questions a certain point of is racist. Truly I respect opinions, but this entire issue has gone too far and I don't think the dialog is healthy as most, on either side, don't have any interest in having a meaningful discussion. IMO sad but true! That was a long way in saying my concerns and disappointment goes beyond the Saints and they are merely a symptom on what we are seeing all across the country in terms of everyone talking over one another and nobody seems to be willing to have a real conversation about how to fix things that indeed need fixing.
 

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The idea that the quest for racial equality is "politicization of the NFL" or an "agenda" is incredibly tone deaf. 68 percent of the NFL are African-Americans. You can be pissed off all you want, but this has been long overdue and the fact that it makes some people "uncomfortable" is irrelevant. The NFL like the rest of the world is changing. Look at the polls. The majority of the country will no longer be held to the whims or biases of a vocal minority. Deal with it or don't watch. Football will go on without you regardless.
I'd argue that this so-called "vocal minority" consists of the least vocal people of all, and that is precisely why things have turned out as they have. We make up the vast majority of the NFL's fan base, yet are expected to sacrifice our needs and our opinions for the appeasement of the social justice mob. We're supposed to sit back and sit quietly while anyone who disagrees with the prevailing narrative of the day is falsely labeled a "racist" or "bigot," including arguably the best player in the history of football, until we completely capitulate. Yes, the NFL like the rest of the world is changing, and not necessarily for the better. Life will go on regardless of professional football, and with each passing fiasco, be it this or horribly lopsided officiating, I find myself less and less inclined to devote any portion of my life to it. Values matter, and the NFL certainly doesn't share mine on just about any topic.
 

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far from it
Demario is one of the most important voices out there, regardless of profession

in fact i would be more than fine if the recent uptick in the exercising of the 1st amendment caused some of our more regressive fans to peel off
there's really no benefit to the 'shut up and dribble' stance
Guido, I have a serious question for you and everyone else that believes the destruction/desecratrion of public property is a justifiable expression of the First Amendment. To qualify this, I am second generation AMERICAN from Italian immigrants. My Grandparents were not treated kindly. Granted, slavery is a HUGE blight in the history of America. However, history is history; if you erase it you are doomed to repeat it. That is why concentration camps in Germany have not been destroyed. We cannot undo the evils of the past, but we MUST have the reminders so we do not perpetuate those evils. On another note, when an African American law enforcement officer kills a caucasian suspect, do I as a caucasian male of Italian descent have the same right do destroy public property? Can I rip down every street sign that says MLK Blvd; tear down statues of George Washington Carver and MLK; or destroy monuments at historically black colleges and universities without consequence or prosecution? If the answer to that question is "no," then there is your true example of "systemic racism."
 

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I'd argue that this so-called "vocal minority" consists of the least vocal people of all, and that is precisely why things have turned out as they have. We make up the vast majority of the NFL's fan base, yet are expected to sacrifice our needs and our opinions for the appeasement of the social justice mob. We're supposed to sit back and sit quietly while anyone who disagrees with the prevailing narrative of the day is falsely labeled a "racist" or "bigot," including arguably the best player in the history of football, until we completely capitulate. Yes, the NFL like the rest of the world is changing, and not necessarily for the better. Life will go on regardless of professional football, and with each passing fiasco, be it this or horribly lopsided officiating, I find myself less and less inclined to devote any portion of my life to it. Values matter, and the NFL certainly doesn't share mine on just about any topic.
Let me try to say this another way, when you say that a minority who is no longer willing to sit by and tolerate social injustice, should just shut up and stop being "political," that is incredibly insulting. This is not political. We are talking about human lives. The African-American players that make up the vast majority of this league are not willing to sit by and silently watch their brothers and sisters continued to be That is no different than how Americans felt after being attacked in 911. That's how these players feel. After 911, we as Americans said we will not sit by and let ourselves be attacked and killed. In every stadium there were demonstrations of solidarity and never once were they considered a "political issue." These peaceful protests should not cause such heartburn. And to be clear, I am not calling anyone a racist or a bigot on this board. I have no idea what is anyone's heart. That is between you and your maker. What I am saying that dismissing these peaceful demonstrations as mere political statements is "tone deaf."

I like Drew as a person, he just missed the boat on this one. It happens. He's a human being like everyone else. He does not walk on water. What happens going forward is between him and his teammates and should not cause such consternation to third parties such as fans that aren't even in the locker room. If this tooth gnashing that I am seeing on this board carries over into the Superdome, we will have created a problem, not the players. They have moved on.
 

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Guido, I have a serious question for you and everyone else that believes the destruction/desecratrion of public property is a justifiable expression of the First Amendment. To qualify this, I am second generation AMERICAN from Italian immigrants. My Grandparents were not treated kindly. Granted, slavery is a HUGE blight in the history of America. However, history is history; if you erase it you are doomed to repeat it. That is why concentration camps in Germany have not been destroyed. We cannot undo the evils of the past, but we MUST have the reminders so we do not perpetuate those evils. On another note, when an African American law enforcement officer kills a caucasian suspect, do I as a caucasian male of Italian descent have the same right do destroy public property? Can I rip down every street sign that says MLK Blvd; tear down statues of George Washington Carver and MLK; or destroy monuments at historically black colleges and universities without consequence or prosecution? If the answer to that question is "no," then there is your true example of "systemic racism."
the 2nd part of your 'question' makes it clear you're not really asking a good faith question - i knew that when you implied that statues to traitors and secessionists are sanctified in some way,
BUT
to reiterate for the umpteenth time - very few, if any, of the confederate statues were actually put up for 'historical' reasons - they were erected decades after the Civil War as propaganda to let the populace know who was still in charge. they were usually funded by small private groups and certainly not erected by any broad, civic insistence on memorializing the past
 

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Guido, I have a serious question for you and everyone else that believes the destruction/desecratrion of public property is a justifiable expression of the First Amendment. To qualify this, I am second generation AMERICAN from Italian immigrants. My Grandparents were not treated kindly. Granted, slavery is a HUGE blight in the history of America. However, history is history; if you erase it you are doomed to repeat it. That is why concentration camps in Germany have not been destroyed. We cannot undo the evils of the past, but we MUST have the reminders so we do not perpetuate those evils. On another note, when an African American law enforcement officer kills a caucasian suspect, do I as a caucasian male of Italian descent have the same right do destroy public property? Can I rip down every street sign that says MLK Blvd; tear down statues of George Washington Carver and MLK; or destroy monuments at historically black colleges and universities without consequence or prosecution? If the answer to that question is "no," then there is your true example of "systemic racism."
There's a difference between preserving history and celebrating it. The concentration camps stand as a reminder of the evil that was done not as a monument to the past like statues are. Have you been to Germany and visited any of the camps? I promise you it is not a place of pride like confederate monuments are here.
MLK and GWC were not enemies of the United States like General Lee and other Confederate generals were. They didn't kill American soldiers.
 

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the 2nd part of your 'question' makes it clear you're not really asking a good faith question - i knew that when you implied that statues to traitors and secessionists are sanctified in some way,
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to reiterate for the umpteenth time - very few, if any, of the confederate statues were actually put up for 'historical' reasons - they were erected decades after the Civil War as propaganda to let the populace know who was still in charge. they were usually funded by small private groups and certainly not erected by any broad, civic insistence on memorializing the past
The United Daughters of Confederacy. I really don't think this country can ever come to terms with it's two original sins: chattel slavery, and taking the land from indigenous people (who ironically share a close gene pool to the people certain politicians try to build a wall against).
 

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The Daughters of Confederacy. I really don't think this country can ever come to terms with it's two original sins: chattel slavery, and taking the land from indigenous people (who ironically share a close gene pool to the people certain politicians try to build a wall against).
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Guido, I have a serious question for you and everyone else that believes the destruction/desecratrion of public property is a justifiable expression of the First Amendment. To qualify this, I am second generation AMERICAN from Italian immigrants. My Grandparents were not treated kindly. Granted, slavery is a HUGE blight in the history of America. However, history is history; if you erase it you are doomed to repeat it. That is why concentration camps in Germany have not been destroyed. We cannot undo the evils of the past, but we MUST have the reminders so we do not perpetuate those evils. On another note, when an African American law enforcement officer kills a caucasian suspect, do I as a caucasian male of Italian descent have the same right do destroy public property? Can I rip down every street sign that says MLK Blvd; tear down statues of George Washington Carver and MLK; or destroy monuments at historically black colleges and universities without consequence or prosecution? If the answer to that question is "no," then there is your true example of "systemic racism."
Can you elaborate on the centuries-long history of systemic oppression of Italian immigrants by black people, so I can attempt to answer your question properly?
 
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Yes, and not just a little bit. Miss Gayle's renaming of Dixie Beer has put me over the edge. The Saints no longer exist to me. Bye guys.
I have zero interest in tuning in to a political or social issue on Sunday. Guess I’ll be spending more time working in the yard.
 

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Not the Saints as a whole but definitely certain players. The way Drew was treated leaves a very bad taste. Just my honest feelings.
I was hesitant to come to this thread and voice my opinion. When I see a Saint headline or even come to the forum I just don’t have that enthusiasm I did in years past. Seems like I’ll get shouted down for my 2 cents like half the country is getting shouted down for this reason or that. I know this’ll probably pull things sideways but I don’t care for politics in my entertainment. You see it all the time now in sports, movies, social media. Regardless of my or your ideology when I want to be entertained I don’t want to be preached to. I understand people using their platform and all but it still is a turn off.
 

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Whatever is happening, it is just a symptom of the times. It's just a vicious cycle of people getting offended by people getting offended.

Personally, I threw away my fan card in 2012, but I keep watching out of habit and nostalgia. Case and point, after every playoff loss the past 3 years, I went "oh, well" and then all was forgotten.
 
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I agree. Malcolm Jenkins would rather throw Brees under the bus for his own publicity benefit rather than has it out in private.

When the so-called veteran leader safety backstabs the proven veteran leader quarterback, it is bad news for the season to come.
They actually had it out in private. They talked on the phone and had a heart to heart moments before he posted his videos.
 

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