Here's a wildy speculative OP about Condi for VP... (1 Viewer)

Nothing above answers the question. The real question. You hit on race, gender and all of the things that Democrats are willing to overlook, if the person is a good person. Basically, missing the point. I think, Shawn please correct me if I am wrong, that he was targeting that one sentence (Paraphrased): The best chance to pull votes away from Obama and Clinton.

The one thing that Obama and Clinton voters have in common, is that they are anti-ANYTHING HAVING TO DO WITH BUSH AND HIS ADMINISTRATION. So, how in the name of honesty can Condi pull votes from either of the Democratic candidates?

Yes, I did answer the question in both my response to Shawn and my response to PE. You may not agree with or like my answer, but my answer not meeting with your satisfaction does not equate to failing to answer.

Further, re: "...race, gender and all of the things that Democrats are willing to overlook..." I disagree that accurately describes the mindset of Dems, and I would further disagree that the average Repub isn't able to overlook gender and race.

There were what?... 10 dems in the running for the nomination at the onset of the primaries - 8 white guys, one woman and one "black" man. And who's left standing? IMHO, race and gender could easily play a large enough role to tip the GE. It certainly has in the primaries. Stats and Dems own admissions tell us that much. I'm not condoning it, it's just the facts. Add in Condi's qualifications as noted by many above and her more moderate stance on issues like abortion, and she'll be able to draw over some Dems and independents, including some of those wanting to see the religious right lose some of its grip on the GOP.

As for your claim that "The one thing that Obama and Clinton voters have in common, is that they are anti-ANYTHING HAVING TO DO WITH BUSH AND HIS ADMINISTRATION." I disagree with that too. I voted for Clinton and I am not anti-anything having to do with Bush and his administration. Clearly, I'm not alone. Further, many equate an election of McCain as being a third Bush term, but a significant number of Obama supporters have said that they would vote for McCain if Clinton gets the nomination, and just as many or more Clinton supporters have said that they would vote for McCain if Obama gets the nod.
 
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I think Condi could possibly pull some votes from Cinton--from the silent band of female Clinton supporters, who have conservative leaning but who still might vote for Clinton just because she's a woman. But honestly, I can't imagine it's even remotely enough votes to have any effect on an election in any state. And it's completely overshadowed by those who might actually shy away from voting for McCain if she were on the ticket. I see her as at best a non-factor, but likely a huge liability.

For the record, I think Condi fails on two fronts.

1) Her association with Bush. That's a black mark regardless of her abilities.

2) I actually think she's been a weak SOS. Setting aside their politics, Madeliene Albright was infinitely more effective than Condi (as in effecting action where she's tried). What has Condi actually accomplished? She's travelled a lot, and I think she's held 1000 press conferences where she's talked about having to come back to the table to talk to people about this that or the other. But in every case I can think of, there's been no movement or lasting change. It's something that isn't talked about much, but really--she's been a wet rag in office.
 
Madeliene Albright was infinitely more effective than Condi (as in effecting action where she's tried).
That has got to be the funniest thing I have read in a while, if appeasement and turning a bling eye to terrorist threats for 8 years is being effective, then I guess you are right!!
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I think it's hard to compare Albright to Condi because they've been presented differently by two different administrations. Albright was in the public eye more than Condi ever was. Granted Condi has been on the scenes, but she's much more of a behind the scenes type than Albright which makes comparing them difficult. Either way, I don't really care whether Condi gets the VP nod or not. I just think she's smarter and got more going for her than most people give her credit for. JMHO.
 
I think it's hard to compare Albright to Condi because they've been presented differently by two different administrations. Albright was in the public eye more than Condi ever was. Granted Condi has been on the scenes, but she's much more of a behind the scenes type than Albright which makes comparing them difficult. Either way, I don't really care whether Condi gets the VP nod or not. I just think she's smarter and got more going for her than most people give her credit for. JMHO.

Agreed. Also, I don't think Rice is pursuing the VP slot, I just think it would be advantageous for McCain if she were a VP option for him.

I've read lately that Rice's dream job is being the NFL commissioner. :)
 
...Imagine that, a woman as NFL Commish.

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Shawn, Saintshizzle and SBTB, take a look at this:

Poll suggests McCain-Rice ticket could win big

(CNN) – Condoleezza Rice has said she has no desire to be John McCain's running mate, but a new poll out Wednesday suggests that duo could beat the Democratic ticket in the bluest of states.
In a new poll conducted by Marist College and WNBC, a McCain-Rice ticket would beat a ticket that includes both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama in New York — a state that reliably votes for the Democratic candidate. (In 2004, John Kerry beat President Bush there by nearly 20 points. In 2000, the margin between Al Gore and Bush was an even higher 25 points.)
But should McCain and Rice team up, the poll suggests the two Republicans would carry New York, defeating a Clinton-Obama ticket by 3 points (49-46 percent) and an Obama-Clinton ticket by 5 points (49-44 percent.)....








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Put me in the camp that believes a McCain/Rice ticket would be a disaster for McCain, especially the way the Iraq war has been going and McCain's insistence to stick with it. It would seem to me that McCain would want to distance himself as far away from anybody in the Bush Administration as possible. I guess for all the bellyaching coming from the far right(Limbaugh, Hannity etc) about McCain not being Republican/Conservative enough I just don't believe they'll pull the lever for anybody else(some may not vote but I doubt it will be that many to make a big effect) especially considering the choices on the other side.

I know quite a few pretty hard core Republicans(my dad being one of them) but I know others(friends, family members) and more then a few of them like Romney for VP for some reason. Don't ask me why??
 
Put me in the camp that believes a McCain/Rice ticket would be a disaster for McCain, especially the way the Iraq war has been going and McCain's insistence to stick with it. It would seem to me that McCain would want to distance himself as far away from anybody in the Bush Administration as possible. I guess for all the bellyaching coming from the far right(Limbaugh, Hannity etc) about McCain not being Republican/Conservative enough I just don't believe they'll pull the lever for anybody else(some may not vote but I doubt it will be that many to make a big effect) especially considering the choices on the other side.

I know quite a few pretty hard core Republicans(my dad being one of them) but I know others(friends, family members) and more then a few of them like Romney for VP for some reason. Don't ask me why??

Clearly, there are a lot of people who think as you do, as this thread shows. However, if more polls come up with the same results, I think a lot of pressure would be put on McCain to get Rice on the ticket.
 
I just don't see McCain getting a real assist from Condi. The polls don't really say much at this point in time regarding possible matchups between McCain and his potential opponent. The only people I see pulling for this to happen are Dems, and for obvious reasons. I'd be shocked if McCain managed to win with Condi on the ticket.
 

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