Hoping 2011 Sean Payton shows up vs the Raiders and not the 2014/2015 version (1 Viewer)

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If 2011 Sean Payton had been coaching the last 2 seasons despite our defence being the worst in the NFL the Saints would have been 10-6. He would have gone into games thinking our defence is giving up 30, so lets score 31 plus. Where as the last 2 seasons it seems like more about trying to play the ball control and the field of possession game by putting two much faith in the defence and win games 20 to 17.

-There were least 3 or 4 times in past couple of years the Saints Start the game with the ball, have a nice 8 or 9 play drive before its stalls inside the other team 40 and have a 4th and 5 and they punt to pin the other team inside the 20. And of course the defence give up a 80 plus yard drive and already down 7-0.

-The 2014 Lions game when the Saints offence had less the 100 yards at the 2 minutes warning, when Brees want no huddle took the Saints over 80 yards for a score and then to start the 2nd half with no huddle and score again and the offence look unstopable. But instead with 25 minutes left Payton try to run out the clock and all the Saints can get is too 2 Fg and the Lions comeback to win in the last minutes.

-When the Saints are down multiple scores in the 2nd half and Payton is still playing a slow tempo and try running the ball taking time off the clock, home vs the Bengals in 2014 and Tampa last season. But the worst was the Redskins game last season when the Saints were down 27-14 at half and our defence made Kirk Cousins look like Johhny Unitas in the first half. So logic would be to win the game 42-41 and hope the defence can make a stop or 2 and maybe get a turnover. Instead Payton try to win the game 28-27, buy playing ball control. The Saints took 6 minutes off the clock just making to the Redskins 30 before they were stopped on 4th down. Even the if they had picked up a first down there they would have taken a couple more minutes to score. It seemed like Payton plan at halftime was to have 2 long drives to take a lead and the 3rd drive to finish the game.

So if Payton try to play ball control and the field position game to protect the defence it would backfire cause our defence is gonna give points no matter what. If he goes into game thinking 35 plus to win, I like the Saints chances.
 

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If you think this team is anywhere in the same hemisphere of the 2011 team, you are in for a long season. The 2011 team, IMO was better than the 2009 Super Bowl team. The 2011 team was a SB contender from day 1. All of the players were in their prime. This team is young and unproven, and most "experts" are predicting that theyll win 6-7 games. They could get to 9, but I think with the salary cap, 2017 will be the year we can sign a couple of difference makers on defense and be looking at a much more optimistic season.
 

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If 2011 Sean Payton had been coaching the last 2 seasons despite our defence being the worst in the NFL the Saints would have been 10-6. He would have gone into games thinking our defence is giving up 30, so lets score 31 plus. Where as the last 2 seasons it seems like more about trying to play the ball control and the field of possession game by putting two much faith in the defence and win games 20 to 17.

-There were least 3 or 4 times in past couple of years the Saints Start the game with the ball, have a nice 8 or 9 play drive before its stalls inside the other team 40 and have a 4th and 5 and they punt to pin the other team inside the 20. And of course the defence give up a 80 plus yard drive and already down 7-0.

-The 2014 Lions game when the Saints offence had less the 100 yards at the 2 minutes warning, when Brees want no huddle took the Saints over 80 yards for a score and then to start the 2nd half with no huddle and score again and the offence look unstopable. But instead with 25 minutes left Payton try to run out the clock and all the Saints can get is too 2 Fg and the Lions comeback to win in the last minutes.

-When the Saints are down multiple scores in the 2nd half and Payton is still playing a slow tempo and try running the ball taking time off the clock, home vs the Bengals in 2014 and Tampa last season. But the worst was the Redskins game last season when the Saints were down 27-14 at half and our defence made Kirk Cousins look like Johhny Unitas in the first half. So logic would be to win the game 42-41 and hope the defence can make a stop or 2 and maybe get a turnover. Instead Payton try to win the game 28-27, buy playing ball control. The Saints took 6 minutes off the clock just making to the Redskins 30 before they were stopped on 4th down. Even the if they had picked up a first down there they would have taken a couple more minutes to score. It seemed like Payton plan at halftime was to have 2 long drives to take a lead and the 3rd drive to finish the game.

So if Payton try to play ball control and the field position game to protect the defence it would backfire cause our defence is gonna give points no matter what. If he goes into game thinking 35 plus to win, I like the Saints chances.
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If you think this team is anywhere in the same hemisphere of the 2011 team, you are in for a long season. The 2011 team, IMO was better than the 2009 Super Bowl team. The 2011 team was a SB contender from day 1. All of the players were in their prime. This team is young and unproven, and most "experts" are predicting that theyll win 6-7 games. They could get to 9, but I think with the salary cap, 2017 will be the year we can sign a couple of difference makers on defense and be looking at a much more optimistic season.
2017 will probably be a year of rebuilding. This team is young, but it is pieces away from competing. And quite frankly, a new non-stale philosophy may be required. We all new that this team would struggle mightily when the offense is no longer elite. With the OL crumbling...and Brees approaching 40...I believe that the Payton-Brees era has closed. You all agree...you won't say it...you'll actually say the opposite. But you agree. Look at the level of dispare on this forum as all the evidence you need. But here's to the next chapter!
 

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If you think this team is anywhere in the same hemisphere of the 2011 team, you are in for a long season. The 2011 team, IMO was better than the 2009 Super Bowl team. The 2011 team was a SB contender from day 1. All of the players were in their prime. This team is young and unproven, and most "experts" are predicting that theyll win 6-7 games. They could get to 9, but I think with the salary cap, 2017 will be the year we can sign a couple of difference makers on defense and be looking at a much more optimistic season.
Yeah, we will have room if we sign Brees to a 5 year deal, not 4, then we can move the money back and do something
 

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Didn't even waste my time reading any more than post title. Why not just say that you want 2006 Sean Payton. A new coach on a new team coaching with newfound passion. 2006 not good enough, you have to have the absolute best 2011. Jeez these fans are so spolied. Like the great H.S.T. would say"Buy the ticket, take the ride". Just try and enjoy every victory because this ride can't last forever.
 

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Getting that 2011 OL back would certainly help.

He's a coach, not a warlock.
 

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If 2011 Sean Payton had been coaching the last 2 seasons despite our defence being the worst in the NFL the Saints would have been 10-6. He would have gone into games thinking our defence is giving up 30, so lets score 31 plus. Where as the last 2 seasons it seems like more about trying to play the ball control and the field of possession game by putting two much faith in the defence and win games 20 to 17.

-There were least 3 or 4 times in past couple of years the Saints Start the game with the ball, have a nice 8 or 9 play drive before its stalls inside the other team 40 and have a 4th and 5 and they punt to pin the other team inside the 20. And of course the defence give up a 80 plus yard drive and already down 7-0.

-The 2014 Lions game when the Saints offence had less the 100 yards at the 2 minutes warning, when Brees want no huddle took the Saints over 80 yards for a score and then to start the 2nd half with no huddle and score again and the offence look unstopable. But instead with 25 minutes left Payton try to run out the clock and all the Saints can get is too 2 Fg and the Lions comeback to win in the last minutes.

-When the Saints are down multiple scores in the 2nd half and Payton is still playing a slow tempo and try running the ball taking time off the clock, home vs the Bengals in 2014 and Tampa last season. But the worst was the Redskins game last season when the Saints were down 27-14 at half and our defence made Kirk Cousins look like Johhny Unitas in the first half. So logic would be to win the game 42-41 and hope the defence can make a stop or 2 and maybe get a turnover. Instead Payton try to win the game 28-27, buy playing ball control. The Saints took 6 minutes off the clock just making to the Redskins 30 before they were stopped on 4th down. Even the if they had picked up a first down there they would have taken a couple more minutes to score. It seemed like Payton plan at halftime was to have 2 long drives to take a lead and the 3rd drive to finish the game.

So if Payton try to play ball control and the field position game to protect the defence it would backfire cause our defence is gonna give points no matter what. If he goes into game thinking 35 plus to win, I like the Saints chances.
I've never subscribed to blaming all these intangible, contrived reasons for our failure...

We fail because we no longer have the level of players we had back then... Poor drafting and FA signings is the difference.
 

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2017 will probably be a year of rebuilding. This team is young, but it is pieces away from competing. And quite frankly, a new non-stale philosophy may be required. We all new that this team would struggle mightily when the offense is no longer elite. With the OL crumbling...and Brees approaching 40...I believe that the Payton-Brees era has closed. You all agree...you won't say it...you'll actually say the opposite. But you agree. Look at the level of dispare on this forum as all the evidence you need. But here's to the next chapter!
Possibly, but why the hell is Brady looking nowhere near done and he is older than Brees? That is why I refuse to believe Brees is done. If Brady can be an MVP at an older age than Drew, than so can Drew.
 

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Possibly, but why the hell is Brady looking nowhere near done and he is older than Brees? That is why I refuse to believe Brees is done. If Brady can be an MVP at an older age than Drew, than so can Drew.
Maybe Brady is a better QB then Drew?
Drew without all pro guards is top 10 QB, with top 3.
 

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Sean Payton doesn't think in terms of how many scores he needs to win a game that hasn't even started. He wants to score every time the Saints get the ball. Anything else is defeatist.
 

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But he hasn't been calling plays like that^. You don't run screens against defenses good against them. That will be a problem. If they think Spiller is gonna just run by a defender at the LOS and make a run for it, there's going to be serious disappointment. Those screens last year stalled a lot of drives. The possible upside is we'll have a more reliable target in the slot.
 
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Possibly, but why the hell is Brady looking nowhere near done and he is older than Brees? That is why I refuse to believe Brees is done. If Brady can be an MVP at an older age than Drew, than so can Drew.
Brady will drop off either this year or next. But with that said...he has something three things that I'd don't think that Brees will have...1) a quality defense to take off pressure, 2) the willingness to be a game manager, 3) the greatest TE of all-time, which greatly reduces the need to have to sling it. When Brees' skills decline, unless something magical occurs, those pieces won't be in place...and quite honestly, I'm not sure that Brees is capable of being a game manager even if we had the other pieces. Brees has proven time and time again that if he isn't protected, he will force passes...especially when our defense is playing poorly. He can get away with it when his skills are still up and he's still relatively healthy. There has not been a QB in NFL history that didn't experience a dropoff at either 38 or 39. Favre and Moon are commonly seen as outliers but people forget that both were wildly inconsistent and their franchises were ready to move on by the time they hit 39. And Favre and Moon are seen as the NFL's iron men.
 

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