How FA's Decide Where To Go (and why it's not NOLA's fault they don't all come here) (1 Viewer)

[RainMan]

Factors in Deciding What College Team to Play For

1. Ability to Win at National Level
2. Coaches' reputation (can he prepare me to succeed at next level)
3. Location and reputation of school/city
4. Shiny new facilities?
5. National media attention/market of team

all of these are part of their ultimate goal of making it to the NFL and therefore making millions of dollars.

Factors in FA's Decision on where to play in the NFL:

1. MONEY
and maybe, just maybe, if the money offered is similiar, where can i win superbowls/get into HOF?


Many posters on this forum seem to be desperately searching for an excuse as to why we haven't signed Lance Briggs and Asante Samuel (and Ransy Moss and Josh Brown and Bernard Berrian and Alan Faneca and whoever else they have on their Madden Saints team). Many have decided that the reasons these players aren't flocking here and begging to play for the Saints is because there is a secret rumor going around all NFL locker room's that New Orleans is terrible and their FO is stupid. I'm afraid this just isn't true.

The most obvious and plausible reason we have not signed every big-name FA is that our front office just didn't want them or didn't think they were worth it or didn't think they'd fit. I realize we all think we know more than they do, but they have a plan that extends beyond March 1st and beyond every big name free agent. If we had wanted Briggs, we could have gotten him. We simply didn't want/think he was worth it (perhaps with the addition of Vilma, they believe Shanle will be able to shine more since Simoneau will not be next to him).

NFL players no longer believe they need to be coached, so coaches don't play a role in their decision. Many of their home gyms are nicer than many NFL gyms. Location of a team does not matter either, because they can afford to have multiple homes and fly to them during bye weeks and the offseason. The community/safety doesn't matter because if they even live here, their homes are in isolated wealthy suburb subdivisions or condos. The only thing left that matters is MONEY.

So don't think there is some big conspiracy against our city or that somehow players avoid our organization because there is a rumor that we are a terrible organization.

 

[Kin Korn Karn]

Orien Harris cut my hair. Who else do you want?

I had to give him a 20 though so it is all about the money after all.

 

[St. Reginald]

Factors in Deciding What College Team to Play For

whoever else they have on their Madden Saints team).

Good one. Bonus points for originality!

The most obvious and plausible reason we have not signed every big-name FA is that our front office just didn't want them or didn't think they were worth it or didn't think they'd fit.

And we've all seen how that strategy has worked wonders for this franchise!

 

[GoldRush26]

Factors in Deciding What College Team to Play For

1. Ability to Win at National Level
2. Coaches' reputation (can he prepare me to succeed at next level)
3. Location and reputation of school/city
4. Shiny new facilities?
5. National media attention/market of team

all of these are part of their ultimate goal of making it to the NFL and therefore making millions of dollars.

Factors in FA's Decision on where to play in the NFL:

1. MONEY
and maybe, just maybe, if the money offered is similiar, where can i win superbowls/get into HOF?


Many posters on this forum seem to be desperately searching for an excuse as to why we haven't signed Lance Briggs and Asante Samuel (and Ransy Moss and Josh Brown and Bernard Berrian and Alan Faneca and whoever else they have on their Madden Saints team). Many have decided that the reasons these players aren't flocking here and begging to play for the Saints is because there is a secret rumor going around all NFL locker room's that New Orleans is terrible and their FO is stupid. I'm afraid this just isn't true.

The most obvious and plausible reason we have not signed every big-name FA is that our front office just didn't want them or didn't think they were worth it or didn't think they'd fit. I realize we all think we know more than they do, but they have a plan that extends beyond March 1st and beyond every big name free agent. If we had wanted Briggs, we could have gotten him. We simply didn't want/think he was worth it (perhaps with the addition of Vilma, they believe Shanle will be able to shine more since Simoneau will not be next to him).

NFL players no longer believe they need to be coached, so coaches don;t play a role in theeir decision. Many of their home gyms are nicer than many NFL gyms. Location of a team does not matter either, because they can afford to have multiple homes and fly to them during bye weeks and the offseason. The community/safety doesn't matter because if they even live here, their homes are in isolated wealthy suburb subdivisions or condos. The only thing left that matters is MONEY.

So don't think there is some big conspiracy against our city or that somehow players avoid our organization because there is a rumor that we are a terrible organization.

lus-un2:

It's really just that simple. A lot of people are just overthinking this. We didn't pursue Briggs or Samuel because the FO doesn't view LB and CB (or any other position on our team currently) as being in dire need of an overpaid player. No one is denying that Briggs and Samuel got overpaid, but what are they supposed to do? Ask for middle of the pack money?

It's my opinion that the teams like the Saints are to blame for Briggs and Samuel getting "overpaid". The Saints choose to pay underachievers and fringe players bigger contracts than what they deserve. When the top players come on market, of course they are going to want to get more than Jason David and the like.

 

[Pain_Link_Fence]

Good one. Bonus points for originality!

And we've all seen how that strategy has worked wonders for this franchise!

Well, we can't say they haven't spent money.
3 of the past 5 years the Saints have been one of the top 4 teams in total payroll, from '03 to '07.
http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/totalpayroll.aspx?year=2003

 

[Forest]

You guys are speaking like it's an absolute truth.

If a team is offering a million dollars less than another team, but it's a much better overall situation there, I have no problems believing a player will take a million less in an ideal situation...

 

[FirebatMIV]

You guys are speaking like it's an absolute truth.

If a team is offering a million dollars less than another team, but it's a much better overall situation there, I have no problems believing a player will take a million less in an ideal situation...

YES.

Seriously, which player do you know that took a look at two competitive contracts and chose the one with the worse all around situation?

How much should we have spent on Briggs then? Samuels? And don't give me this "as much as needed" ********, because for once, I want some hard numbers.

 

[RainMan]

You guys are speaking like it's an absolute truth.

If a team is offering a million dollars less than another team, but it's a much better overall situation there, I have no problems believing a player will take a million less in an ideal situation...

I am sure that the occasional player will do that, however that is the exception and most examples of that type of decision making is seen towards the end of a career when a player realizes he doesn't need anymore money and would like to win.

please refer to the Edgerrin James example in 2005. he was on a super bowl caliber team, with a QB and O-line that he could ride to the HOF, but bailed for more money (plus, he was a first round pick, it's not like he even truly needed more money). But the NFL is a business to these players when it comes contract time.

 

[Kin Korn Karn]

http://i.realone.com/assets/rn/img/7/8/8/2/8952887-8952893-slarge.jpg

 

[Forest]

I am sure that the occasional player will do that, however that is the exception and most examples of that type of decision making is seen towards the end of a career when a player realizes he doesn't need anymore money and would like to win.

please refer to the Edgerrin James example in 2005. he was on a super bowl caliber team, with a QB and O-line that he could ride to the HOF, but bailed for more money (plus, he was a first round pick, it's not like he even truly needed more money). But the NFL is a business to these players when it comes contract time.

It's a choice by an individual. Some players go for a better situations, and some players go for the million dollars more, not because they need, but because it's "prestige" and "pride."

 

[FirebatMIV]

I am sure that the occasional player will do that, however that is the exception and most examples of that type of decision making is seen towards the end of a career when a player realizes he doesn't need anymore money and would like to win.

please refer to the Edgerrin James example in 2005. he was on a super bowl caliber team, with a QB and O-line that he could ride to the HOF, but bailed for more money (plus, he was a first round pick, it's not like he even truly needed more money). But the NFL is a business to these players when it comes contract time.

Significantly more money and a higher signing bonus, actually.

What does that prove other than the worse you are as a team, the more you have to overpay? Why on earth would anyone want us to overpay now when we have so much of our own guys to extend.

Interestingly, the guy who replaced Edge has been the better player, is this an endorsement for the "Build through the draft" movement?

 

[RainMan]

What does that prove other than the worse you are as a team, the more you have to overpay? Why on earth would anyone want us to overpay now when we have so much of our own guys to extend.

my point exactly. we aren't a bad team, so we don't have to overpay. If we wanted Briggs, we would have had him. Our FO clearly did not want him (esp. after the Vilma deal), at least not badly enough to put down money that could be used to pay for new contracts for our current stars.

 

[GoldRush26]

Significantly more money and a higher signing bonus, actually.

What does that prove other than the worse you are as a team, the more you have to overpay? Why on earth would anyone want us to overpay now when we have so much of our own guys to extend.

Interestingly, the guy who replaced Edge has been the better player, is this an endorsement for the "Build through the draft" movement?

So we're reduced to "Let's draft and pray?" Quite frankly this team can't do what the Colts do. I didn't believe this until now, but all scouts aren't created equal. Neither are GMs. We don't have Bill Polian. Loomis isn't a football guy, and that hurts the Saints as a whole. It means that the coach has to be a talent evaluator. That's not the coaches' job, and it doesn't usually work out.

 

[FirebatMIV]

So we're reduced to "Let's draft and pray?" Quite frankly this team can't do what the Colts do. I didn't believe this until now, but all scouts aren't created equal. Neither are GMs. We don't have Bill Polian. Loomis isn't a football guy, and that hurts the Saints as a whole. It means that the coach has to be a talent evaluator. That's not the coaches' job, and it doesn't usually work out.

Nope, the fact that we traded for guys like Vilma should have told you otherwise. This team, much like a team like San Antonio Spurs or Oakland Athletics, must spend FA money wisely and hope its ability to compete at a high level offesets the general unattractiveness of the situation here. It's a hard gambit, but I'm not ready to throw out a whole FO after 1 bad year.

To Rainman:

Help me out bro, name the last FA that signed with NO when a comparative contract was offered elsewhere.

 

[birdog]

Factors in Deciding What College Team to Play For

1. Ability to Win at National Level
2. Coaches' reputation (can he prepare me to succeed at next level)
3. Location and reputation of school/city
4. Shiny new facilities?
5. National media attention/market of team

all of these are part of their ultimate goal of making it to the NFL and therefore making millions of dollars.

Factors in FA's Decision on where to play in the NFL:

1. MONEY
and maybe, just maybe, if the money offered is similiar, where can i win superbowls/get into HOF?


Many have decided that the reasons these players aren't flocking here and begging to play for the Saints is because there is a secret rumor going around all NFL locker room's that New Orleans is terrible and their FO is stupid. I'm afraid this just isn't true.

The most obvious and plausible reason we have not signed every big-name FA is that our front office just didn't want them or didn't think they were worth it or didn't think they'd fit. I realize we all think we know more than they do, but they have a plan that extends beyond March 1st and beyond every big name free agent. If we had wanted Briggs, we could have gotten him. We simply didn't want/think he was worth it (perhaps with the addition of Vilma, they believe Shanle will be able to shine more since Simoneau will not be next to him).



So don't think there is some big conspiracy against our city or that somehow players avoid our organization because there is a rumor that we are a terrible organization.

Don't you think that those fans who raise the red flag, see the same results year in & out....why not question the competence of the FO, when the fact is that just about every year they miss the bulls-eye on just about every defensive player not selected in the 1st rd?? As of yet, no one defender of the FO, can justify why is Shanle considered a better player than Briggs?? By this FO, of course.....why is it that the FO & coaches think that a marginal player can obtain better results than a legit play-maker? What is the reason behind such nonsense?