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http://www.newsweek.com/2016/09/02/how-poverty-affects-brains-493239.html

Early results show a troubling trend: Kids who grow up with higher levels of violence as a backdrop in their lives, based on MRI scans, have weaker real-time neural connections and interaction in parts of the brain involved in awareness, judgment, and ethical and emotional processing.

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MRIs done years apart show that children raised in violent neighborhoods have progressively weaker neural connections and less interaction in parts of the brain associated with judgment and ethical processing.
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Immordino-Yang&#8217;s work is contributing to a growing field called the neuroscience of poverty. Though it&#8217;s still largely based on correlations between brain patterns and particular environments, the research points to a disturbing conclusion: Poverty and the conditions that often accompany it&#8212;violence, excessive noise, chaos at home, pollution, malnutrition, abuse and parents without jobs&#8212;can affect the interactions, formation and pruning of connections in the young brain.
For years I've been hearing people proclaim it's the parents fault or they just need to work harder, but this would seem to point to more than just desire and work ethic. As we get less and less income equal, it would seem the impact can be far more damaging than previously known.
 

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Then we should immediately remove kids from this dangerous and ultimately life threatening environment. No child should be in the home of a violent parent or where there excessive noise, a home filled with chaos or pollution.

Why are we allowing kids to be raised by people that would do this to their kids!!!
 
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Then we should immediately remove kids from this dangerous and ultimately life threatening environment. No child should be in the home of a violent parent or where there excessive noise, a home filled with chaos or pollution.

Why are we allowing kids to be raised by people that would do this to their kids!!!
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Smart *** response to a very serious issue. There is more to it. The animal base of your brain learns and wires itself on how to react to stimuli by the time you are 2. If a child is neglected, abused or even witnesses it their brain is programmed for that response forever. The brain as its growing does wire itself to stimuli. If it's growing up creative, learning and safe to take chances, the brain will develop many more connections and be much more sound.

People wonder why Finland has gone from a disaster in education to top 5. It's easy. Finland realized that screwed up kids can't learn. So Finland has intensive counciling for new parents, dumps massive resources, family, child, care, you name it into their young to make sure the kids first years are set. They found out that when these kids enter school they are behaved, brains are ready to learn and be creative. It's not that they pay teachers more, it's that the kids brains are not ****** from birth.

This Finland way will never work here as people will never realize or accept that their way of raising children is screwed up.


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There's an environmental factor that is being grossly overlooked as well, I believe.
 

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Childhood development is very much tied into playing with toys, exploring your surroundings, etc. I realized that when our younger child was way behind. What we came to understand is that the speech therapist and occupational therapist coming into our home to work with him, they weren't doing anything special. They were just playing with him, interacting, talking to him extensively.

And we're not poor by any means, but we realized we weren't spending the time because we just didn't have the time to spend. We were both working long days, getting very little sleep and not doing a good job of interacting during the day because as older parents we honestly just didn't have the energy to do more than the basics. So we scaled back our work hours, started making a conscious effort to spend more time and home and giving him more attention.

And it's been great....but yeah, you're gonna have an awful lot of people in worse financial shape that can't afford to take less hours because they can't afford it or their job won't allow it. And that's just talking about the problems that the productive members of society face, not those in truly disturbing circumstances.
 

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There's an environmental factor that is being grossly overlooked as well, I believe.
Huh? The whole article is about how a childs environment growing up (with the emphasis on poverty) effects their brain wiring and chemistry. How exactly is the environmental factor being overlooked?
 

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That's where we have to ask ourselves as a nation. Do we want a healthy, happy population or a violent drug using corporate slave mill? We spend more than any country on health care and get less but largest profits are in the US. We have the most powerful military ever and soldiers coming home and no money to care for them. We have people who are depressed because of situations, but our only solution is to drug them, not think for a second of quality of life. Our country is sick, and we have 2 idiots running for president that will do nothing but maintain status quo-Clinton, or expand core rate power and profits at the expense of the population-Trump. So what do we do?


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Huh? The whole article is about how a childs environment growing up (with the emphasis on poverty) effects their brain wiring and chemistry. How exactly is the environmental factor being overlooked?
Well there is no link provided to read the "entire article," only the snippet provided in the OP. The aspect that I am speaking of may be encompassed in the "pollution" part, but the article that I read regarding the same study focuses primarily on "violence" and "fear."

I contend that the issue is primarily pollutants, though, which while mentioned aren't discussed nearly as in-depth as the violence and fear factors.
 

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Well there is no link provided to read the "entire article," only the snippet provided in the OP. The aspect that I am speaking of may be encompassed in the "pollution" part, but the article that I read regarding the same study focuses primarily on "violence" and "fear."



I contend that the issue is primarily pollutants, though, which while mentioned aren't discussed nearly as in-depth as the violence and fear factors.


No it's not. It's the violence, the fear, the lack of nutrition all plays a lot, way moe than pollution


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No it's not. It's the violence, the fear, the lack of nutrition all plays a lot, way moe than pollution


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That's awesome how you state your view on the matter as fact. It doesn't make it any more correct than what I am saying, though.

People in poverty tend to live in less than ideal conditions. Their exposure to lead alone can lead to the very same violence that is trickling down and creating problems. So even if you believe the violence is the primary cause then you can trace the violence back a step further to pollution.
 
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Well there is no link provided to read the "entire article," only the snippet provided in the OP. The aspect that I am speaking of may be encompassed in the "pollution" part, but the article that I read regarding the same study focuses primarily on "violence" and "fear."

I contend that the issue is primarily pollutants, though, which while mentioned aren't discussed nearly as in-depth as the violence and fear factors.
Sorry, thought I'd included the link. I went back and edited to include. Very sorry bout that folks.
 

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Smart *** response to a very serious issue. There is more to it. The animal base of your brain learns and wires itself on how to react to stimuli by the time you are 2. If a child is neglected, abused or even witnesses it their brain is programmed for that response forever. The brain as its growing does wire itself to stimuli. If it's growing up creative, learning and safe to take chances, the brain will develop many more connections and be much more sound.

People wonder why Finland has gone from a disaster in education to top 5. It's easy. Finland realized that screwed up kids can't learn. So Finland has intensive counciling for new parents, dumps massive resources, family, child, care, you name it into their young to make sure the kids first years are set. They found out that when these kids enter school they are behaved, brains are ready to learn and be creative. It's not that they pay teachers more, it's that the kids brains are not ****** from birth.

This Finland way will never work here as people will never realize or accept that their way of raising children is screwed up.


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You are absolutely correct about the bonded part. And we are too scared to do anything about it. In fact we encourage the same crappy behaviors. Unfit parents are pumping out kids and we just keep feeding the problem. By making excuses for them and throwing money at them. The solution is always to just throw more money at them.

So yes, we are now at the point that we need government from birth to wipe our kids butts and raise them.





Not knocking their system. Are you willing to pay the taxes they do? 24% sales tax
 

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You are absolutely correct about the bonded part. And we are too scared to do anything about it. In fact we encourage the same crappy behaviors. Unfit parents are pumping out kids and we just keep feeding the problem. By making excuses for them and throwing money at them. The solution is always to just throw more money at them.

So yes, we are now at the point that we need government from birth to wipe our kids butts and raise them.





Not knocking their system. Are you willing to pay the taxes they do? 24% sales tax
if/when i feel like verbally peeing into a fan, i'll address this
 
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You are absolutely correct about the bonded part. And we are too scared to do anything about it. In fact we encourage the same crappy behaviors. Unfit parents are pumping out kids and we just keep feeding the problem. By making excuses for them and throwing money at them. The solution is always to just throw more money at them.

So yes, we are now at the point that we need government from birth to wipe our kids butts and raise them.





Not knocking their system. Are you willing to pay the taxes they do? 24% sales tax

Can you link any scientific studies to support this accusation?

Otherwise this is just a rambling old guy scared of the kids on his lawn.
 

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That's awesome how you state your view on the matter as fact. It doesn't make it any more correct than what I am saying, though.



People in poverty tend to live in less than ideal conditions. Their exposure to lead alone can lead to the very same violence that is trickling down and creating problems. So even if you believe the violence is the primary cause then you can trace the violence back a step further to pollution.


First, the amount of lead in the environment anymore is way overrated. Unless junior is actively eating square feet of pre1970 paint off the walls, or chewing on circuit boards, there isn't that much freely floating around. Not in the amounts needed to be responsible for that kind of brain lack of development. Now, if you want to talk about the neurotoxin pesticides sprayed like fairy dust here in the valley, ok maybe I will listen.

I've been in education 25 years. I've attended 11 classes on brain research and development in youths after the big stink of how Finland turned around their education. I highly doubted that paying teachers more, and teaching less was the real reason behind it, no matter what my idiotic union says.

Before I start, remember any info brought into the brain from its senses first goes through the emotional core before it can be processed. If there is something wrong with the core, then anything beyond there is a result of the filter being damaged.

So here it is summed up in long form. First, the brain as it is develop long builds itself in response to stimuli. The animal core of the brain, the amygdala and the hippocampus are set to process how you respond to stimuli within the first two years of birth. This is one of the reasons that you can usually tell why children raised around abuse continue to have long term damage from it. With help and a good environment they can learn to adapt, but that initial response is always processed first. For example, touch my wife's neck without her knowing it beforehand. There will be a flash of fear that runs through her eyes before her brain catches up with the fact that her abuse hasn't happened for 35 years. It's still there. That's just one single poor example though.

I could link but just search this term. language delay due to abuse there are numerous articles that show huge delays due to abuse or simply watching it. This is due to a very young child in an abusive home learning very quickly that it is best to not cause any action to provoke. So therefore all of the possible connections for love, caring and all that are not being made. Also, kids in that situation don't talk because the children know that if they say something then the chances of causing violence or emotional abuse go way up. So in the first 2 years (the most important time in brain growth) the child's brain isn't taking chances to speak, or express itself because of fear of abuse. The brain customizes itself to the environment it is in. The more nurturing, caring, stimulating a childhood the denser with more connections a person's brain is. It also continues through life. If you stay educated, still read, still learn, still challenge yourself, your brain decays much less and can continue to improve throughout life as compared to someone who doesn't.

Also, the brain is putting up barriers to retaining memory because this little kid is doing everything they can do to forget and survive in that poor environment. Once someone makes this connection it is pretty easy to see why some children do not do well in school. They don't learn to take those chances, in many cases are actively encouraged not to. Learn to read or write is almost impossible because it requires a skill set for constantly taking risks to be wrong when the brain is either lacking that developmental area, or has even been conditioned to not do it.

So you take a child that has had little quality stimuli, whose brain has had very limited stimuli to grow and develop a good neural net, and many times the situation encourages the brain not to do so, and then they go to school. Tell me this isn't a recipe for disaster. While my kid is sitting there excited to learn, knows that taking chances is a good thing because that cycle of try/mistake/try/succeed is good, and there will be positives, smiles, hugs, communication, rewards involved, a kid from a background of abuse's brain is constantly worried if they will disappoint the person of power, the teacher, or if the other kids will hurt them as they are constantly stuck in the basic safety loop as that is all they have learned and developed.

It is actually fascinating how much of who we are is set so early in life. Also, how sad it is that in many cases because the brain is screwed up and lacking development at the critical times how the problems associated are really almost impossible to solve without a massive effort in the next generation.

It is also why Finland and Norway have a totally different view on prisons than we do. We put criminals, who generally grew up in bad situations (not all of course) and house then where they fear for their safety and have little stimuli other than basic survival, which is simply reinforcing what they already have as a problem. Those two countries give them an apartment, safety, put them in settings to learn to care and empathize with others. They learn to work together and build trust, get an education, learn skills, give the exposure to a life they never knew. Basically trying to remap the brain so that when they are released they have a solution to the organic brain issues that got them started down a path of being a criminal to begin with. Is it perfect, no, but their success rate is much better than ours.

I do encourage you if you doubt what I am saying to do some research and reading. The stuff that is being learned about brain development right now is incredible. I haven't even touched on diet which also plays a massive part.


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