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-Trade Warford.
-Cut PRob, Easton, and Edwards.

-Sign Clowney for a 1-year rental...Can’t see how this could negatively affect Ramczyk or Lattimore’s contract since it’s a 1-year rental.

Or go get Clay Matthews and Everson Griffen.

Or wait until 49ers release Kwon Alexander and/or Dee Ford.

I just want to make one more big splash to go all in for Drew

Thoughts?

EDIT: Even If we were to keep Easton, that’s still 13M in cap space the team can use to go sign 1-2 more defensive players who damn help contribute.
 
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-Trade Warford.
-Cut PRob, Easton, and Edwards.

-Sign Clowney for a 1-year rental...Can’t see how this could negatively affect Ramczyk or Lattimore’s contract since it’s a 1-year rental.

Or go get Clay Matthews and Everson Griffen.

Or wait until 49ers release Kwon Alexander and/or Dee Ford.

I just want to make one more big splash to go all in for Drew

Thoughts?

My question is what happens if someone gets injured on the o-line. It happens every year. I'd rather have good depth on the o-line than more depth on the d-line.

You are also risking DB depth.
 
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My question is what happens if someone gets injured on the o-line. It happens every year. I'd rather have good depth on the o-line than more depth on the d-line.

You are also risking DB depth.

While I understand your logic, you need to take what’s given: Meaning, the Saints didn’t just draft Ruiz in the 6-7th round. They used a 1st round pick on a guy to be a starter...Even Payton said that they drafted Ruiz to be a starter. Therefore, you’re either benching McCoy or Warford If Ruiz starts. We’re sure as hell not paying Warford 13 million to sit on the bench and be a backup, therefore, the plan is already in place to trade him.

-Also, in regards to your argument about CB depth...I gotta admit, if we’re talking about injury concerns and depth, then cutting a CB to then go sign a veteran LB is worth it since LB are less liable when it comes to depth and injuries in my opinion with Anzalone and Alonso
 
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While I understand your logic, you need to take what’s given: Meaning, the Saints didn’t just draft Ruiz in the 6-7th round. They used a 1st round pick on a guy to be a starter...Even Payton said that they drafted Ruiz to be a starter. Therefore, you’re either benching McCoy or Warford If Ruiz starts. We’re sure as hell not paying Warford 13 million to sit on the bench and be a backup, therefore, the plan is already in place to trade him.

-Also, in regards to your argument about CB depth...I gotta admit, if we’re talking about injury concerns and depth, then cutting a CB to then go sign a veteran LB is worth it since LB are less liable when it comes to depth and injuries in my opinion with Anzalone and Alonso

You also already have Jordan, Davenport and Hendrickson. I guess you could somewhat include Baun as an edge. You're going to put a good player on the bench or inactive to bring in a DE.

I'm fine with Warford being the backup. I see it as 7.75 mil for him. That's all you can recover anyway. Having him as a luxury backup if he gets beat out is something I'd like to have in Brees presumably last year. At the very least I would want Easton as a backup. Having neither scares me.
 
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You also already have Jordan, Davenport and Hendrickson. I guess you could somewhat include Baun as an edge. You're going to put a good player on the bench or inactive to bring in a DE.

I'm fine with Warford being the backup. I see it as 7.75 mil for him. That's all you can recover anyway. Having him as a luxury if he gets beat out is something I'd like to have in Brees presumably last year. At the very least I would want Easton as a backup. Having neither scares me.

Agree to disagree. But for me, I don’t believe the Saints will keep Warford come training camp.

I also prefer getting a legit starting LB and a DE in Clay Matthews and Griffen who all can contribute rather than paying for Warford (in decline) and P Robinson (a 4th string corner behind PJ) to All sit on the bench.

Plus, did you see the 49ers Dline with 4 legit starting DEs with 7+ sacks each? It wasn’t so beautiful when they put Rodgers on his butt in the regular season (even though I would prefer ARod next year should Drew Retires-another story for another’s time)...We legit have 2 starting DEs at the most. One injury to Cam, and the pass rush Is gone. Trey is not a starting DE.

Plus, Baun will not be ready as a coverages lB...He even admitted during an interview that he feels More comfortable as an edge rusher. He will need time.
 
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Teams can carry over unused cap space to future years.

Could you explain it a little more? How does that happen? Is there any way you could prevent that?
 

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Although we'd all like their DL, SF isn't the most comparable example to be fair, since they actually had interior linemen (Buckner) making piles of sacks, not just DE. On top of which, it wasn't a sustainable model for them, as they now need to purge a bunch of salaries, including one of those DE, plus having to trade away their best pass rushing DT in Buckner.

Also, this opinion seems to ignore the players we've just drafted. An argument above indicates you can't count on Baun as a coverage LB yet, but also implicitly refuses to factor him into the edge rushing personnel? He's going to contribute somewhere, so either he's improved our LB depth or edge depth.

But I appreciate people have very set views on this.
 
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Although we'd all like their DL, SF isn't the most comparable example to be fair, since they actually had interior linemen (Buckner) making piles of sacks, not just DE. On top of which, it wasn't a sustainable model for them, as they now need to purge a bunch of salaries, including one of those DE, plus having to trade away their best pass rushing DT in Buckner.

Also, this opinion seems to ignore the players we've just drafted. An argument above indicates you can't count on Baun as a coverage LB yet, but also implicitly refuses to factor him into the edge rushing personnel? He's going to contribute somewhere, so either he's improved our LB depth or edge depth.

But I appreciate people have very set views on this.

Thank you so much for this opinion. I do appreciate your view and take on this. But, my point wasn't really to take away from Baun's playing time, but more so, to focus on creating more cap space to sign another legitimate player on defense (instead of paying Warford to sit on the bench)...If you view Baun as an edge rusher, go sign a veteran LB. If you view Baun as MLB/SLB who occasionally is used as a blitzer, then go sign another legit DE.

On another note, I understand you mentioning SF D-Line as not comparable/sustainable-HOWEVER, that is why I clearly said to sign "one year-rentals" as a last push to win Drew a ring. I agree-I don't think we could form a SF D-line and to have it be sustainable for years to come either. However, maybe to form a "SF D-Line" for just for one season by going all-in? I think that can be done...To me, that "SF D-Line" would be: Davenport, Jordan, Clowney/Griffen, and Baun. I've seen Davenport at DT and dominating guards just like Buckner.
 
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I am also in the camp of keeping Warford.
Last year we were woefully thin.
If we draft OL then cut OL means we'll be thin again.
Last year Will Clapp had to start due to injury. Nothing against the guy, but I don't want to see that again. If we're all in for Brees, then having OL depth is very important.
 

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Thank you so much for this opinion. I do appreciate your view and take on this. But, my point wasn't really to take away from Baun's playing time, but more so, to focus on creating more cap space to sign another legitimate player on defense (instead of paying Warford to sit on the bench)...If you view Baun as an edge rusher, go sign a veteran LB. If you view Baun as MLB/SLB who occasionally is used as a blitzer, then go sign another legit DE.

On another note, I understand you mentioning SF D-Line as not comparable/sustainable-HOWEVER, that is why I clearly said to sign "one year-rentals" as a last push to win Drew a ring. I agree-I don't think we could form a SF D-line and to have it be sustainable for years to come either. However, maybe to form a "SF D-Line" for just for one season by going all-in? I think that can be done...To me, that "SF D-Line" would be: Davenport, Jordan, Clowney/Griffen, and Baun. I've seen Davenport at DT and dominating guards just like Buckner.
Good points in response.

Ultimately I think it's about risk management and where you place those risks. There's a risk at some point that we don't have enough healthy players capable of supplying pressure on those key passing downs, and adding another productive edge player could reduce that risk.

However, releasing Warford and one or more depth DBs in turn increases our risk of having not enough healthy players to keep the OL (and in turn the offense) and defensive backfield producing as we'll need them to.

So you would be transferring the risk from one area to two others. I think I just fall on the side that says our balance of risk is better as it is now.
 
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Could you explain it a little more? How does that happen? Is there any way you could prevent that?

It just automatically rolls over. You could think of next year's max cap being increased by the free cap you had this year. Maybe even a negative cap hit on the books. Not sure how it is officially tracked.
 
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Agree to disagree. But for me, I don’t believe the Saints will keep Warford come training camp.

I also prefer getting a legit starting LB and a DE in Clay Matthews and Griffen who all can contribute rather than paying for Warford (in decline) and P Robinson (a 4th string corner behind PJ) to All sit on the bench.

Plus, did you see the 49ers Dline with 4 legit starting DEs with 7+ sacks each? It wasn’t so beautiful when they put Rodgers on his butt in the regular season (even though I would prefer ARod next year should Drew Retires-another story for another’s time)...We legit have 2 starting DEs at the most. One injury to Cam, and the pass rush Is gone. Trey is not a starting DE.

Plus, Baun will not be ready as a coverages lB...He even admitted during an interview that he feels More comfortable as an edge rusher. He will need time.

Yeap just different views. Oline or Dline depth, both may need it. I'm personally more comfortable with how it is. I would be okay cutting Easton and signing a guy for that 5 mil though. I think him plus Warford are too much security if other positions need it.

I do disagree about the 49ers line though. I think that would be like including Onyemata or Rankins if you include Buckner. Our DT's had a down year rushing the passer. Hopefully, they bounce back.
 

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Just went from a loaded o-line with depth to screwed with a single injury. Brees needs protection and multiple injuries happen to OL every year
 

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The loss of Rankins hurt our DL more than most want to admit. He was the guy who allowed others to make things happen. Along with Davenport who I’m beginning to think is a colossal waste of draft picks, I agree the DL is weak. But, at this point, I hate to see the offensive line gutted. Yeah we’ve had good luck with rookies plying well, but that doesn’t mean it’s going to happen this time. Every year in training camp some team loses a starting OL. If Armstead gets hurt again, Peat becomes tackle. In that scenario, you want Clapp starting? The offensive line, certainly with Brees the middle of the offensive line is critical. Besides, I’m pretty sure Warford will find a little motivation this year now. Last year of his contract, he will be looking for another with someone.
As far as renting a Clowney or Matthews, both were being used specifically as pass rush specialists last year. If they were as good as you think, they would already be scooped up. People bag on Hendrickson, but as an all around DE he is pretty good in run support and while maybe not able to put up great sack numbers, does a decent job of getting pressure.
 

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DON'T MESS WITH THE OFFENSIVE LINE !!!! :emri99: I would love for Warford ( can't see anybody beating him out when he is on top of his game)to win the job at RG. We need all the help we can get especially after not being able to put teams away in the playoffs the last 3 years and the #1 reason why Payton was looking for depth, he also signed a high priority UDFA offensive lineman.
 

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