I can't even blame Dennis Allen. Only one person to blame. (1 Viewer)

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This guy was given a train wreck of a defense 5 years in the making and it's still baking.

As a guy who's worked in management and now runs his own clinic you have to look at the top. This is on Mickey Loomis. He's the boss of the organization. He signs the checks. He's the GENERAL Manager. It's Sean Paytons fault? Nope. Loomis. It's Loomis job to keep checks and balances and to make sure the right personnel is hired. He makes the contracts. It's his fault we signed such huge contracts to these people and over 30 million in dead money.
 

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Yeah. In all fairness to him, some of these guys balled out at their previous teams. We are just unable to develop defensive talent. Period.
 

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Yeah. In all fairness to him, some of these guys balled out at their previous teams. We are just unable to develop defensive talent. Period.
How do you account for Cameron Jordan, Kenny Vaccaro, Delvin Breaux, Tyeler Davison, or PJ Williams?

Luck?
 

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His job is to try to find a way to create space within the cap and make things work. He's not a talent evaluator. He never has been. His specialty is in accounting. Always has been. Sean Payton requests players as do the scouts and coordinators. I know you want to look at the top but Sean Payton is the top in this organization. He has more clout than Mickey.
 

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How do you account for Cameron Jordan, Kenny Vaccaro, Delvin Breaux, Tyeler Davison, or PJ Williams?

Luck?
Jordan is above average. Vaccaro is good. Breaux developed in the CFL. Davison is a rotation player. We know nothing about PJ Williams. He's played 2 games in 2 seasons.
 

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I think we are paying for Payton being the gm and making defensive picks for years. Ireland is helping but it isn't enough to overcome years of bad drafts and free agent blunders. Sean Is better at picking offensive talent. Loomis just finds a way to fit Sean's groceries under the salary cap.
 

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Fire Loomis or Payton or the ball boy. Whatever.

But are we really going to pretend like missing 6 defensive starters doesn't matter? That teams just routinely overcome that?

This season just sucks all around. That's not making excuses. That's reality.
 

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Jordan is above average. Vaccaro is good. Breaux developed in the CFL. Davison is a rotation player. We know nothing about PJ Williams. He's played 2 games in 2 seasons.
Vaccaro is good. Yes. Did that happen by luck?

Breaux developed in the CFL...a game with different rules to play by. He was giving up touchdowns due to not tracking the ball last year. This year, in limited action true, no one was even throwing to him. Cut the field in half. Did he improve on his own?

Davison is a rotational player, drafted in the 5th round. I'll allow that. But are 5th rounders automatic rotational players? Didn't require some coaching? Some development?

And PJ Williams was pretty firmly entrenched as our #2 corner. I'm sure he had more to do with our being able to move on from Keenan. Aaron Glenn hasn't had any impact?

Crawley has improved already. Not elite or anything...

Point is, unable to develop talent? Doesn't look that way to me at all.
 

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Vaccaro is good. Yes. Did that happen by luck?

Breaux developed in the CFL...a game with different rules to play by. He was giving up touchdowns due to not tracking the ball last year. This year, in limited action true, no one was even throwing to him. Cut the field in half. Did he improve on his own?

Davison is a rotational player, drafted in the 5th round. I'll allow that. But are 5th rounders automatic rotational players? Didn't require some coaching? Some development?

And PJ Williams was pretty firmly entrenched as our #2 corner. I'm sure he had more to do with our being able to move on from Keenan. Aaron Glenn hasn't had any impact?

Crawley has improved already. Not elite or anything...

Point is, unable to develop talent? Doesn't look that way to me at all.
this post is incredible to me.

first of all, Crawley is one of the worst CBs i've ever seen. He has no ball skills and he panics if the ball is in the air around him.

anyway, you're picking like 5 guys out of the hundreds that have played for this team in the decade that Payton has been here and using it as proof of his personnel prowess. By this token, we should say that Joe Lombardi is the reason Brees is an all time great.

Sometimes players are just good at football.
 

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Payton is the General Manager. Loomis is an accountant.
In that case, he is the worst accountant in the NFL by the only measures that we can use: the amount of talent on this team and the amount of dead money we have accrued.

We're probably not the least talented team, but we are unquestionably in the bottom ten. And we have lapped the field in terms of dead money.

Loomis "making it happen" is not him performing cap magic. It's a cap strategy that allows us to paper over holes and remain mediocre while also destroying the long term future of the team. There will be more early releases next offseason that grows that ugly number again, even after all we have accrued has cleared.

If Loomis really does have one job and he has failed, what else needs to be said?
 

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to be fair to Loomis, he did get it done. we signed basically everyone we wanted to or at least had the wherewithal to make legit offers. we could've signed Norman if he wanted to come here.

the issue is that EVERY. SINGLE. SIGNING. we made for 2-3 years in a row busted. We missed on Byrd, Spiller, Lewis, Galette, Browner, Hawthorne, Lofton, Bunkley, Lorig, etc.

i mean...we're still paying Erik Lorig. how many games did he even play in as a Saint? i mean, we have $5 million is dead money for Evans, who is currently starting at RG.

the chances of going like 0 for 10 on FA signings are infinitesimal.
 

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Loomis should only work for the Saints and not the Pelicans too! He has enough responsibilities managing our Saints. Surely Benson pays him well enough,to only manage the Saints.
 

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