I know, I know, it was only the 1st preseason game, BUT... (1 Viewer)

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Preseason exists for a reason. You have to gauge your players & your teams readiness some how. And I have no doubt there was a lot of film of this contest by our coaching staff for that very purpose.
Having said all of that, I have my own observations based upon going to the game & watching the replays with the understanding that many of our top players were not involved, or played very little.
THE OPPONENT:
Watching the game on TV gave me a much different feel than watching it in person at the game. My first observation is that if the Saints are going to the Superbowl this season, the odds are very good they will see this team again in the playoffs. Minnesota looked great & they were obviously well prepared on both sides of the football for a 1st preseason game. They have great players all over the field & their schedule is also very conducive for them to win double digit games this season.
SAINTS QBs:
This is where my TV observations began to differ from my live game observations. Bridgewater was absolutely on fire. His command of the team was excellent. His throws were on target, his reads were pretty much spot on. And he really should have been 17 or 18/19 or better. But since his receivers had problems hauling in passes in their mitts, this unfortunately did not occur. That was after further review.
Hill looked extremely improved from last season. His read progressions were way ahead of last season. His long & intermediate throws were really nice & his ability to buy extra yards when being flushed is as good as any dual threat QB in football.
SAINTS OFFENSIVE LINE:
This leads me to my 2nd observation which differed greatly on TV Vs. live viewing. I was concerned at the length of time it took our routes to develop & the inability of our receivers to get open down field. Our offensive line did an overall good job of run blocking, but the amount of time it took for guys to open downfield caused our offensive line to have some problematic breakdowns in pass protection which showed itself with Bridegewater & would have shown itself with Brees. With Hill that pass coverage & pass rush resulted in big chunks of yards by the QB. There will be some easy cuts at the Offensive line & I don't foresee them keeping 9 guys there.
SAINTS WRs:
This seems to be the BIG issue for national writers & appeared it's ugly head in this game for sure. I counted eight drops of catchable balls & very little separation by our WRs as opposed to Minnesota's. Cyril Grayson was a very pleasant Surprise & had it not been for a dumb false start it would have been very interesting to see what he could do with that reverse. He & Deonte Harris both looked great. Jordan Humphrey looks like a pure beast.
SAINTS RBs:
This was my biggest area of concern for the offense going into the season. Now it appears to be one of the biggest areas of strength. Kamara is, well, Kamara. I don't really need to see him again in preseason to know what he can & will do even though it's like a box of chocolates. You never know what he will do, but it's probably going to be something great. Murray is all that was advertised. he makes good reads of his blocks, he has great size & obvious power. But his speed was nice to see as well as his hands.
Washington had some nice runs & is very conscious about ball security which makes him a nice dependable back. Ozigbo was the real surprise. This guy has good moves, breaks tackles & has a very nice burst of speed to get into overdrive. He definitely makes the practice squad & could be a surprise roster player. Rodgers just about killed his chances dropping that 2 point conversion. He didn't show any of what he used to show when he played the Saints.
SPECIAL TEAMs:
Sean has been clamoring about special teams problems for years & in many cases rightfully so. Well this year it looks like his problems are solved. This is the one are of the game where the Saints were obviously head & shoulders above their opponent. Moorestead is Moorestead. But Will Lutz has now developed into a top flight kicker with range & accuracy as good as anyone in the league. If the Saints keep a specialty & if they ever had a specialty guy worth keeping it's already obvious that Harris is that guy. His fearlessness translates itself live, or on TV. he reads his blocks, the guys coming after him, fields the ball cleanly , makes his decisions & runs like his hair is on fire. he is either a keeper, or a trade commodity because I don't see this guy making it very long on the practice squad.
defense:
I'm not even gonna try to break this down into individual units because there's no use in agitating anyone who reads this thread any more than necessary. But there was absolutely not a thing from game planning, to execution, to individual achievement which ever made me think that this unit is going to be special this season. I was disappointed with the passing attack, the line backing was weak most of the game, the pass coverage was miserable with huge break downs both mentally & physically, And the run defense which started off pretty well, ended up getting shredded by running backs who may not ever see the field for Minnesota. The only good thing about a game like this is you wee that one guy who is putting out with greater effort than anyone else. And the only guy I can say played his behind off on every single down he was in, was Trey Hendrickson. Trey is limited in his athletic ability at this level. But he is one guy who gives it everything he has on every single play. I could say the same about Craig Robertson, but he made a terrible play on a break away draw that went for 30 yards, or more.

I know, it's only preseason. But this team has it's toughest games of the season the 1st four games this year. And if this defense doesn't pick up the pace & get a whole lot better really quick they will start 1-3 & have their backs against the wall the rest of the season.
 

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*sigh*

We do this every year.

For a team with new coaches, systems, etc., preseason exists to get people familiar with the offense, defense and work on timing. For a team like the Saints, preseason exists for players who will receive no playing or practice time during the regular season so they can be evaluated. That's it. There is no other reason for any Saints starter to even play a single snap. No starting NFL player should ever be judged on their playing time during the preseason because no one on the field gives a **** except those handful of guys fighting for those last 5 roster spots.

I recall Jammal Brown's first year as a starter. In the preseason, he looked like complete and total ****. He couldn't block anything for ****. As soon as the regular season started, he stoned everyone.

No one gives a **** about preseason.

Move along...
 
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*sigh*

We do this every year.

For a team with new coaches, systems, etc., preseason exists to get people familiar with the offense, defense and work on timing. For a team like the Saints, preseason exists for players who will receive no playing or practice time during the regular season so they can be evaluated. That's it. There is no other reason for any Saints starter to even play a single snap. No starting NFL player should ever be judged on their playing time during the preseason because no one on the field gives a **** except those handful of guys fighting for those last 5 roster spots.

I recall Jammal Brown's first year as a starter. In the preseason, he looked like complete and total ****. He couldn't block anything for ****. As soon as the regular season started, he stoned everyone.

No one gives a **** about preseason.

Move along...
Well maybe someone should have told that to Minnesota then. Because they looked awfully good for a preseason 1st game.
 
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*sigh*

We do this every year.

For a team with new coaches, systems, etc., preseason exists to get people familiar with the offense, defense and work on timing. For a team like the Saints, preseason exists for players who will receive no playing or practice time during the regular season so they can be evaluated. That's it. There is no other reason for any Saints starter to even play a single snap. No starting NFL player should ever be judged on their playing time during the preseason because no one on the field gives a **** except those handful of guys fighting for those last 5 roster spots.

I recall Jammal Brown's first year as a starter. In the preseason, he looked like complete and total ****. He couldn't block anything for ****. As soon as the regular season started, he stoned everyone.

No one gives a **** about preseason.

Move along...
Would you be saying that about Will Lutz if he had gone 0-4 the other night?
 

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The Lions went 4-0 in the preseason of the very same season they went 0-16 when the games counted.

BET THAT UNDEFEATED PRESEASON SURE WAS A COMFORT TO THEIR FANS AT THE END OF THE YEAR :smilielol:
But they got a real fast start in their opening games.

To the tune of being outscored by 61 points in their first four regular season games.
 
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The Lions went 4-0 in the preseason of the very same season they went 0-16 when the games counted.

BET THAT UNDEFEATED PRESEASON SURE WAS A COMFORT TO THEIR FANS AT THE END OF THE YEAR :smilielol:
I don't think the game score was mentioned anywhere in my comments. Please note where you saw that mentioned. it's not about the score. it's about execution & effort. But be it as you will. If you feel comfortable with PJ Williams & Patrick Robinson on this roster, then enjoy. I don't feel comfortable with the effort i saw, or some of the personnel who are supposed to make this team. And I certainly don't feel comfortable with safeties who can't commit to covering anyone deep.
 
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People who write about effort usually do so directly after a loss. And are generally the people who think Craig Robertson should start.

To be fair, I appreciated reading your breakdown but I do not share your conclusions.
Feel free to back up your assessment with fact based observations. I'm not opposed to being proven wrong. However, using Detroit as an example of anything concerning football has no relevance to anything.
 

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Feel free to back up your assessment with fact based observations. I'm not opposed to being proven wrong. However, using Detroit as an example of anything concerning football has no relevance to anything.
My fact based observation is everything MLU said. Ignoring the evidence contradicting your view does not render the evidence irrelevant. Sad face.
 
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My fact based observation is everything MLU said. Ignoring the evidence contradicting your view does not render the evidence irrelevant. Sad face.
Please provide some evidence contradicting my view. Believe me when i say I welcome any evidence contradicting my view of the defense. who had an exceptional play on defense? Who stood out? Name any big play, or combination of little plays by any defender from the Saints first game. Then tell me that degree of effort will enhance this team's ability to have a winning season, much less be in position to play for a championship.
 

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I'm not opposed to being proven wrong.
Actually, recent evidence suggests otherwise.

In the Jake Delhomme thread...……...even after I proved to you that the game-time temp was 45 degrees, you stubbornly insisted that the Ravens and Saints played that 2002 game in the snow. Only after I posted the YouTube video to the game (showing the exact same amount of snow as any part of Louisiana has on the ground right now) did you quietly choose to disappear and drop the subject.

You also tried to say that the Ravens started off as "double digit favorites" in that game, even though evidence shows that the Saints were 2 point favorites. You cited the "uncertainty about Jake" being the reason for the Ravens originally starting off with that line. So think about what you said...……...if the Ravens were - 10 (you didn't specifically state the number, you just said "double digits"....so I'll go with the lowest double-digit line possible)………….then somehow jumped to Saints - 2...……….you're saying Aaron Brooks was worth 12 additional points to Vegas. Even Drew Brees being out wouldn't move a line to that extent.
 

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Please provide some evidence contradicting my view. Believe me when i say I welcome any evidence contradicting my view of the defense. who had an exceptional play on defense? Who stood out? Name any big play, or combination of little plays by any defender from the Saints first game. Then tell me that degree of effort will enhance this team's ability to have a winning season, much less be in position to play for a championship.
I'm more than satisfied that I have presented all the evidence required, thank you. I refute utterly the fallacy that preseason failure begets regular season failure, and I will see you when the games count.
 

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