I know, I know, it was only the 1st preseason game, BUT... (1 Viewer)

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Preseason exists for a reason. You have to gauge your players & your teams readiness some how. And I have no doubt there was a lot of film of this contest by our coaching staff for that very purpose.
Having said all of that, I have my own observations based upon going to the game & watching the replays with the understanding that many of our top players were not involved, or played very little.
THE OPPONENT:
Watching the game on TV gave me a much different feel than watching it in person at the game. My first observation is that if the Saints are going to the Superbowl this season, the odds are very good they will see this team again in the playoffs. Minnesota looked great & they were obviously well prepared on both sides of the football for a 1st preseason game. They have great players all over the field & their schedule is also very conducive for them to win double digit games this season.
SAINTS QBs:
This is where my TV observations began to differ from my live game observations. Bridgewater was absolutely on fire. His command of the team was excellent. His throws were on target, his reads were pretty much spot on. And he really should have been 17 or 18/19 or better. But since his receivers had problems hauling in passes in their mitts, this unfortunately did not occur. That was after further review.
Hill looked extremely improved from last season. His read progressions were way ahead of last season. His long & intermediate throws were really nice & his ability to buy extra yards when being flushed is as good as any dual threat QB in football.
SAINTS OFFENSIVE LINE:
This leads me to my 2nd observation which differed greatly on TV Vs. live viewing. I was concerned at the length of time it took our routes to develop & the inability of our receivers to get open down field. Our offensive line did an overall good job of run blocking, but the amount of time it took for guys to open downfield caused our offensive line to have some problematic breakdowns in pass protection which showed itself with Bridegewater & would have shown itself with Brees. With Hill that pass coverage & pass rush resulted in big chunks of yards by the QB. There will be some easy cuts at the Offensive line & I don't foresee them keeping 9 guys there.
SAINTS WRs:
This seems to be the BIG issue for national writers & appeared it's ugly head in this game for sure. I counted eight drops of catchable balls & very little separation by our WRs as opposed to Minnesota's. Cyril Grayson was a very pleasant Surprise & had it not been for a dumb false start it would have been very interesting to see what he could do with that reverse. He & Deonte Harris both looked great. Jordan Humphrey looks like a pure beast.
SAINTS RBs:
This was my biggest area of concern for the offense going into the season. Now it appears to be one of the biggest areas of strength. Kamara is, well, Kamara. I don't really need to see him again in preseason to know what he can & will do even though it's like a box of chocolates. You never know what he will do, but it's probably going to be something great. Murray is all that was advertised. he makes good reads of his blocks, he has great size & obvious power. But his speed was nice to see as well as his hands.
Washington had some nice runs & is very conscious about ball security which makes him a nice dependable back. Ozigbo was the real surprise. This guy has good moves, breaks tackles & has a very nice burst of speed to get into overdrive. He definitely makes the practice squad & could be a surprise roster player. Rodgers just about killed his chances dropping that 2 point conversion. He didn't show any of what he used to show when he played the Saints.
SPECIAL TEAMs:
Sean has been clamoring about special teams problems for years & in many cases rightfully so. Well this year it looks like his problems are solved. This is the one are of the game where the Saints were obviously head & shoulders above their opponent. Moorestead is Moorestead. But Will Lutz has now developed into a top flight kicker with range & accuracy as good as anyone in the league. If the Saints keep a specialty & if they ever had a specialty guy worth keeping it's already obvious that Harris is that guy. His fearlessness translates itself live, or on TV. he reads his blocks, the guys coming after him, fields the ball cleanly , makes his decisions & runs like his hair is on fire. he is either a keeper, or a trade commodity because I don't see this guy making it very long on the practice squad.
defense:
I'm not even gonna try to break this down into individual units because there's no use in agitating anyone who reads this thread any more than necessary. But there was absolutely not a thing from game planning, to execution, to individual achievement which ever made me think that this unit is going to be special this season. I was disappointed with the passing attack, the line backing was weak most of the game, the pass coverage was miserable with huge break downs both mentally & physically, And the run defense which started off pretty well, ended up getting shredded by running backs who may not ever see the field for Minnesota. The only good thing about a game like this is you wee that one guy who is putting out with greater effort than anyone else. And the only guy I can say played his behind off on every single down he was in, was Trey Hendrickson. Trey is limited in his athletic ability at this level. But he is one guy who gives it everything he has on every single play. I could say the same about Craig Robertson, but he made a terrible play on a break away draw that went for 30 yards, or more.

I know, it's only preseason. But this team has it's toughest games of the season the 1st four games this year. And if this defense doesn't pick up the pace & get a whole lot better really quick they will start 1-3 & have their backs against the wall the rest of the season.
 
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I'm more than satisfied that I have presented all the evidence required, thank you. I refute utterly the fallacy that preseason failure begets regular season failure, and I will see you when the games count.
Your opinion based on nothing does not evidence make. Do you think I enjoyed writing about us stinking it up on defense. I kept it as general as I could to avoid picking on certain people as much as possible. I'm still waiting for anyone to name a single great play we mad on defense. even the fumble recovery was only because they're player failed to secure the ball on his own.t here wasn't a single hand on the guy when he coughed it up.
 
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Actually, recent evidence suggests otherwise.

In the Jake Delhomme thread...……...even after I proved to you that the game-time temp was 45 degrees, you stubbornly insisted that the Ravens and Saints played that 2002 game in the snow. Only after I posted the YouTube video to the game (showing the exact same amount of snow as any part of Louisiana has on the ground right now) did you quietly choose to disappear and drop the subject.

You also tried to say that the Ravens started off as "double digit favorites" in that game, even though evidence shows that the Saints were 2 point favorites. You cited the "uncertainty about Jake" being the reason for the Ravens originally starting off with that line. So think about what you said...……...if the Ravens were - 10 (you didn't specifically state the number, you just said "double digits"....so I'll go with the lowest double-digit line possible)………….then somehow jumped to Saints - 2...……….you're saying Aaron Brooks was worth 12 additional points to Vegas. Even Drew Brees being out wouldn't move a line to that extent.
How about referring to this game old buddy. For the sake of this year let's leave 2 decades ago ion the past for now.
 

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Your opinion based on nothing does not evidence make. Do you think I enjoyed writing about us stinking it up on defense. I kept it as general as I could to avoid picking on certain people as much as possible. I'm still waiting for anyone to name a single great play we mad on defense. even the fumble recovery was only because they're player failed to secure the ball on his own.t here wasn't a single hand on the guy when he coughed it up.
You're pretty desperate for an argument. It's not my job to give you one.
 

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OP is right here. Preseason matters when it comes to evaluating players and the team. The score doesn't matter. If the siants play exactly how they played friday and won the game somehow I would draw the same conclusions.

This is why the lions going undefeated in preseason and then losing all games doesn't matter. I only matter to evaluate how they won those games, how they played in those preseason games. I'm sure if you analyze like this you could draw a lot of conclusions about how they would do in the regular season.

Also, someone said the saints played 2's and 3's most of the time while the vikings played starters, but that's not true. They played their starters as much as the saints. The saints had their starters for 2 or 3 drives on offense and 2 or 3 on defense. The same for the vikings, except for starter QB in the first drive.
 

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I don't know whats the rush for some guys to come trash OP when he brings good points. It's not like he is overreacting and saying the sky is falling. He is just evaluating how the saints players did in this preseason game.
 

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I don't know whats the rush for some guys to come trash OP when he brings good points. It's not like he is overreacting and saying the sky is falling. He is just evaluating how the saints players did in this preseason game.
Pretty much this. I think the OPs assessment was pretty accurate and didn't seem to be pushing a hard conclusion. At the end of the day, Minnesota looked very crisp and the Saints were not as sharp. A reason to panic? Absolutely not, and I didn't get the feeling the OP was going there.
 

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I don't care about the final score. What concerns me is how the Vikings 1st string O shredded our 1st string D (minus Cam Jordan)
 

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I don't care about the final score. What concerns me is how the Vikings 1st string O shredded our 1st string D (minus Cam Jordan)
No Cam Jordan, but also no game planning (including next to no blitz packages). This vastly changes the dynamic of a football game.

There's a story about how the ol' ball coach Steve Spurrier decided his Washington team was going to 'win' the preseason building in his first year as HC. A renowned offensive guru at the college level, he game planned (which teams barely do at all for these games) and he played his 1s for long stretches (again contrary to the custom of every team pretty much forever). The team passed the ball a large proportion of each game, as Spurrier focused on getting their quarterbacks, receivers and blockers in sync.

The result was Washington went 4-1 in preseason, building up large margins of victory, repping their starters extensively against the backups of other teams, no doubt 'getting into rhythm' and 'building momentum' etc ready for the regular season.

When the regular season arrived, the Redskins took their first game 31-23 with a decent offensive showing. But that's where the positive momentum ended, as the team eked out a 7-9 record, limping in with the 25th ranked scoring offense. Not so 'in sync' after all.

Spurrier made it through one more season of his five year contract (going 5-11) before quitting the NFL altogether.

So:
Playing your starters more in preseason ≠ better results in the regular season.
Game planning in preseason ≠ more wins in the regular season.
Going 4-1 in preseason ≠ being a playoff team.

But hey, those are just my conclusions.
 

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No Cam Jordan, but also no game planning (including next to no blitz packages). This vastly changes the dynamic of a football game.

There's a story about how the ol' ball coach Steve Spurrier decided his Washington team was going to 'win' the preseason building in his first year as HC. A renowned offensive guru at the college level, he game planned (which teams barely do at all for these games) and he played his 1s for long stretches (again contrary to the custom of every team pretty much forever). The team passed the ball a large proportion of each game, as Spurrier focused on getting their quarterbacks, receivers and blockers in sync.

The result was Washington went 4-1 in preseason, building up large margins of victory, repping their starters extensively against the backups of other teams, no doubt 'getting into rhythm' and 'building momentum' etc ready for the regular season.

When the regular season arrived, the Redskins took their first game 31-23 with a decent offensive showing. But that's where the positive momentum ended, as the team eked out a 7-9 record, limping in with the 25th ranked scoring offense. Not so 'in sync' after all.

Spurrier made it through one more season of his five year contract (going 5-11) before quitting the NFL altogether.

So:
Playing your starters more in preseason ≠ better results in the regular season.
Game planning in preseason ≠ more wins in the regular season.
Going 4-1 in preseason ≠ being a playoff team.

But hey, those are just my conclusions.
The saints played their starters as mush as the Vikings did.

Nobody cares about the score or the preseason record as stated before in this thread.

Nobody game plan for preseason. You are speaking like the Vikings game planned but the Saints didn't and this is why the Vikings were better. Neither team game planned. Saints' defense simply lost their 1 on 1 battles against the vikings. For the Saints to do well in the regular season they need to win their one on one battles.
 

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The saints played their starters as mush as the Vikings did.

Nobody cares about the score or the preseason record as stated before in this thread.

Nobody game plan for preseason. You are speaking like the Vikings game planned but the Saints didn't and this is why the Vikings were better. Neither team game planned. Saints' defense simply lost their 1 on 1 battles against the vikings. For the Saints to do well in the regular season they need to win their one on one battles.
Football at this level is not won by one on one battles alone. It also relies on game planning to put the right player in the right place at the right time to make a difference. So by not game planning in preseason, you are playing a different game to the regular season. By logical extension, the end result of the two will be different, not the same.

But I appreciate that may fail to convince you.
 
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*sigh*

We do this every year.

For a team with new coaches, systems, etc., preseason exists to get people familiar with the offense, defense and work on timing. For a team like the Saints, preseason exists for players who will receive no playing or practice time during the regular season so they can be evaluated. That's it. There is no other reason for any Saints starter to even play a single snap. No starting NFL player should ever be judged on their playing time during the preseason because no one on the field gives a **** except those handful of guys fighting for those last 5 roster spots.

I recall Jammal Brown's first year as a starter. In the preseason, he looked like complete and total ****. He couldn't block anything for ****. As soon as the regular season started, he stoned everyone.

No one gives a **** about preseason.

Move along...
I agree to an extent, I am just tired of the 1st or 1st and 2nd or even sometimes 1st, 2nd and 3rd games of the season we just totally shirt the bed for some weird reason because we look unprepared.
 

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I agree to an extent, I am just tired of the 1st or 1st and 2nd or even sometimes 1st, 2nd and 3rd games of the season we just totally shirt the bed for some weird reason because we look unprepared.
It's because they are unprepared. They're not game planning to beat Minnesota. They're interested in getting looks at certain players who normally would not see the field. who would be playing a different position, etc vs Minnesota if this was a real game.
 
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It's because they are unprepared. They're not game planning to beat Minnesota. They're interested in getting looks at certain players who normally would not see the field. who would be playing a different position, etc vs Minnesota if this was a real game.
You're right. And it's exactly those looks that have me worried right about now. because every single look I got from a Saints defender was him on his butt, or completely out of the play, or trailing a running back, or wide receiver for a monster gainer. And it's those looks that anyone who has any sense about what they are seeing will say, hey guys it's nice that you have the snowball truck & the ice cream truck. But you look fat, sloppy, & completely out of shape while almost all of theirs are out running almost all of yours & making you look fat, lazy, sloppy, & terrible. And I still don't recall mentioning a score, or who won, or lost.
 

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