I know, I know, it was only the 1st preseason game, BUT... (1 Viewer)

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Preseason exists for a reason. You have to gauge your players & your teams readiness some how. And I have no doubt there was a lot of film of this contest by our coaching staff for that very purpose.
Having said all of that, I have my own observations based upon going to the game & watching the replays with the understanding that many of our top players were not involved, or played very little.
THE OPPONENT:
Watching the game on TV gave me a much different feel than watching it in person at the game. My first observation is that if the Saints are going to the Superbowl this season, the odds are very good they will see this team again in the playoffs. Minnesota looked great & they were obviously well prepared on both sides of the football for a 1st preseason game. They have great players all over the field & their schedule is also very conducive for them to win double digit games this season.
SAINTS QBs:
This is where my TV observations began to differ from my live game observations. Bridgewater was absolutely on fire. His command of the team was excellent. His throws were on target, his reads were pretty much spot on. And he really should have been 17 or 18/19 or better. But since his receivers had problems hauling in passes in their mitts, this unfortunately did not occur. That was after further review.
Hill looked extremely improved from last season. His read progressions were way ahead of last season. His long & intermediate throws were really nice & his ability to buy extra yards when being flushed is as good as any dual threat QB in football.
SAINTS OFFENSIVE LINE:
This leads me to my 2nd observation which differed greatly on TV Vs. live viewing. I was concerned at the length of time it took our routes to develop & the inability of our receivers to get open down field. Our offensive line did an overall good job of run blocking, but the amount of time it took for guys to open downfield caused our offensive line to have some problematic breakdowns in pass protection which showed itself with Bridegewater & would have shown itself with Brees. With Hill that pass coverage & pass rush resulted in big chunks of yards by the QB. There will be some easy cuts at the Offensive line & I don't foresee them keeping 9 guys there.
SAINTS WRs:
This seems to be the BIG issue for national writers & appeared it's ugly head in this game for sure. I counted eight drops of catchable balls & very little separation by our WRs as opposed to Minnesota's. Cyril Grayson was a very pleasant Surprise & had it not been for a dumb false start it would have been very interesting to see what he could do with that reverse. He & Deonte Harris both looked great. Jordan Humphrey looks like a pure beast.
SAINTS RBs:
This was my biggest area of concern for the offense going into the season. Now it appears to be one of the biggest areas of strength. Kamara is, well, Kamara. I don't really need to see him again in preseason to know what he can & will do even though it's like a box of chocolates. You never know what he will do, but it's probably going to be something great. Murray is all that was advertised. he makes good reads of his blocks, he has great size & obvious power. But his speed was nice to see as well as his hands.
Washington had some nice runs & is very conscious about ball security which makes him a nice dependable back. Ozigbo was the real surprise. This guy has good moves, breaks tackles & has a very nice burst of speed to get into overdrive. He definitely makes the practice squad & could be a surprise roster player. Rodgers just about killed his chances dropping that 2 point conversion. He didn't show any of what he used to show when he played the Saints.
SPECIAL TEAMs:
Sean has been clamoring about special teams problems for years & in many cases rightfully so. Well this year it looks like his problems are solved. This is the one are of the game where the Saints were obviously head & shoulders above their opponent. Moorestead is Moorestead. But Will Lutz has now developed into a top flight kicker with range & accuracy as good as anyone in the league. If the Saints keep a specialty & if they ever had a specialty guy worth keeping it's already obvious that Harris is that guy. His fearlessness translates itself live, or on TV. he reads his blocks, the guys coming after him, fields the ball cleanly , makes his decisions & runs like his hair is on fire. he is either a keeper, or a trade commodity because I don't see this guy making it very long on the practice squad.
defense:
I'm not even gonna try to break this down into individual units because there's no use in agitating anyone who reads this thread any more than necessary. But there was absolutely not a thing from game planning, to execution, to individual achievement which ever made me think that this unit is going to be special this season. I was disappointed with the passing attack, the line backing was weak most of the game, the pass coverage was miserable with huge break downs both mentally & physically, And the run defense which started off pretty well, ended up getting shredded by running backs who may not ever see the field for Minnesota. The only good thing about a game like this is you wee that one guy who is putting out with greater effort than anyone else. And the only guy I can say played his behind off on every single down he was in, was Trey Hendrickson. Trey is limited in his athletic ability at this level. But he is one guy who gives it everything he has on every single play. I could say the same about Craig Robertson, but he made a terrible play on a break away draw that went for 30 yards, or more.

I know, it's only preseason. But this team has it's toughest games of the season the 1st four games this year. And if this defense doesn't pick up the pace & get a whole lot better really quick they will start 1-3 & have their backs against the wall the rest of the season.
 

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Football at this level is not won by one on one battles alone. It also relies on game planning to put the right player in the right place at the right time to make a difference. So by not game planning in preseason, you are playing a different game to the regular season. By logical extension, the end result of the two will be different, not the same.

But I appreciate that may fail to convince you.
It is not won by one on one battles alone but winning those battles is also a part of winning games. Playing terrible in preseason is not the end of everything, but how the players do in preseason is not meaningless to how they will perform in the real games.
 

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Judging football teams playing without a game plan is like judging a sandwich without the filling. It's not going to tell you how the sandwich will actually taste.

But to each their own, enjoy the preseason.
 

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Minnesota also played their 1s more where we played mostly 3s and 4s with a sprinkling of 2s. Did we even have any 1s out? Someone with more knowledge dissected it better than me so feel free to correct or confirm.
That would make me feel better,but how do u know, the Vikings mostly use their 1s and 2s the entire game?
 

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Judging football teams playing without a game plan is like judging a sandwich without the filling. It's not going to tell you how the sandwich will actually taste.

But to each their own, enjoy the preseason.
But at least it will tell if the bread is any good.
 

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Good Lord.... first preseason game and the sky is falling already!!

Effort or not I'm quite sure that the coaching staff knows what the starters are capable of.

If the same result happens when the real bullets start flying then we'll have a reason to be concerned.
 

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Good Lord.... first preseason game and the sky is falling already!!

Effort or not I'm quite sure that the coaching staff knows what the starters are capable of.

If the same result happens when the real bullets start flying then we'll have a reason to be concerned.
Nobody said the sky was falling. You and the others are just saying it to discredit a very good thread that could open a good discussion about how the saints did in their first preseason game.
 

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Nobody said the sky was falling. You and the others are just saying it to discredit a very good thread that could open a good discussion about how the saints did in their first preseason game.
Well it's pretty much what it came down to when the OP in a later post challenged anyone to come up with one shred of proof that the defensive effort was acceptable. I think with a game plan in place the coaching staff is very confident in what this defense is capable of.

It was the FIRST preseason game....nothing more and nothing less. Anyone who is expecting to see mid season form from the first preseason game is kidding themselves. You will never see the same effort in a meaningless game from the starters.
 
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Well it's pretty much what it came down to when the OP in a later post challenged anyone to come up with one shred of proof that the defensive effort was acceptable. I think with a game plan in place the coaching staff is very confident in what this defense is capable of.

It was the FIRST preseason game....nothing more and nothing less. Anyone who is expecting to see mid season form from the first preseason game is kidding themselves. You will never see the same effort in a meaningless game from the starters.
Okay, we have nothing to worry about. We know how infuego the Saints are when starting the season because they do nothing to get ready during the preseason. That's pretty much what I'm hearing. Well, let's see how that translates to game one, two, & three of this year.
 

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Okay, we have nothing to worry about. We know how infuego the Saints are when starting the season because they do nothing to get ready during the preseason. That's pretty much what I'm hearing. Well, let's see how that translates to game one, two, & three of this year.
Oh you mean like in 2017 when they started 8-2 and won the division?......Or was it 2018 when they started 10-1 and again won the division?

You are right about one thing though...………..based on what I saw from Friday nights game I'm not that concerned going forward.

This is a very talented and very well coached Saints team...…….they may be the best Saints team we've ever seen so I'm not really concerned about a glorified scrimmage.

The players and the coaching staff know how to and when to "flip the switch" and I have every confidence that they will when the time comes.
 

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You're right. And it's exactly those looks that have me worried right about now. because every single look I got from a Saints defender was him on his butt, or completely out of the play, or trailing a running back, or wide receiver for a monster gainer. And it's those looks that anyone who has any sense about what they are seeing will say, hey guys it's nice that you have the snowball truck & the ice cream truck. But you look fat, sloppy, & completely out of shape while almost all of theirs are out running almost all of yours & making you look fat, lazy, sloppy, & terrible. And I still don't recall mentioning a score, or who won, or lost.
They didn't look fat, sloppy or out of shape. They looked like a team that didn't game plan to beat the Vikings. The fact that Drew Brees' never set foot on the field should tell you how seriously the team took this game.
 

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The game was entertaining and it was awesome to see the Saints.

#deepthoughtsaboutpreseasongame1
 

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Here you go on preseason.

2017.

Saints averaged 13 PPG in preseason.

Saints averaged 28 PPG in the season

It’s preseason,
 
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Oh you mean like in 2017 when they started 8-2 and won the division?......Or was it 2018 when they started 10-1 and again won the division?

You are right about one thing though...………..based on what I saw from Friday nights game I'm not that concerned going forward.

This is a very talented and very well coached Saints team...…….they may be the best Saints team we've ever seen so I'm not really concerned about a glorified scrimmage.

The players and the coaching staff know how to and when to "flip the switch" and I have every confidence that they will when the time comes.
Well the defense better start showing some of that talent, or this schedule will eat them alive. And there are gonna be a lot of heart broke fans on this board. I don;t like writing this AT ALL! But I'm not gonna lie to myself & say I didn't see what I just saw. And if this is the only time I have to write about it this year, that will be fine with me. And ALL the geniuses who always bit the apple can say I was wrong. And I hope I'm wrong. And I believe I'm wrong as well. But they better pick up the pace defensively, or this will continue.
 

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Here's the deal:

The starting defense was missing Jordan and also shuffled the d-line around quite a bit.
Our starting defense gave up a 3rd down that should have (and would have) been a sack with the starting defense on the field.
Apple gave up a passing TD that 9 times out of 10 is an incomplete. Perfect throw, amazing catch.

Our defense is a read and react, they almost always give up the opening drive and then settle down and becoming a shut down defense in the 2nd half of games.

After the starters were taken out, PRob was put on the outside and showed why he should never be playing as an outside corner. They attacked him over and over again and with backups playing on the starting d-line, we had journeymen playing on the 2nd string, which is why you had long runs.

Definitely stuff to learn from and get better at, but nothing to get worked up about.

Bridgewater showed a lot of growth from year 1 to 2 here and that's really what you wanted to see.
 

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