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But championships are built on the second day of the draft----some of our recent selections---we need to do a lot better

4 107 Antonio Pittman RB Ohio State
4 125 Jermon Bushrod T Towson
5 145 David Jones CB Wingate
7 220 Marvin Mitchell LB Tennessee

Evans, Strief and Colston are nice...
4 108 Jahri Evans G Bloomsburg
5 135 Rob Ninkovich DE Purdue
6 171 Mike Hass WR Oregon State
6 174 Josh Lay CB Pittsburgh
7 210 Zach Strief T Northwestern
7 252 Marques Colston WR Hofstra

3 82 Alfred Fincher LB Connecticut
4 118 Chase Lyman WR California
5 152 Adrian McPherson QB Florida State
6 193 Jason Jefferson DT Wisconsin
7 232 Jimmy Verdon DE Arizona State

2 60 Courtney Watson MLB Notre Dame
5 139 Rodney Leisle DT UCLA
5 156 Mike Karney FB Arizona State
7 240 Colby Bockwoldt OLB Brigham Young

1 6 Johnathan Sullivan DT Georgia
2 37 Jonathan Stinchcomb T Georgia
3 86 Cie Grant LB Ohio State
4 102 Montrae Holland G Florida State
5 155 Melvin Williams DE Kansas State
6 203 Kareem Kelly -- USC
7 231 Talman Gardner WR Florida State

4 125 Keyuo Craver CB Nebraska
5 150 Mel Mitchell DB Western Kentucky
6 186 J.T. O'Sullivan QB California-Davis
6 196 John Gilmore TE Penn State
7 224 Derrius Monroe DE Virginia Tech

3 70 Sedrick Hodge LB North Carolina
3 81 Kenny Smith DT Alabama
4 115 Moran Norris RB Kansas
5 153 Onome Ojo WR California-Davis
6 185 Mitch White T Oregon State
7 221 Ennis Davis -- USC

5 131 Tutan Reyes T Mississippi
5 158 Austin Wheatley TE Iowa
5 166 Chad Morton RB USC
6 168 Marc Bulger QB West Virginia
6 195 Michael Hawthorne DB Purdue
6 200 Sherrod Gideon WR Southern Mississippi
7 228 Kevin Houser FB Ohio State
 

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I'd be happy if we could pick correctly on the 1st day.
 

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But championships are built on the second day of the draft----some of our recent selections---we need to do a lot better

5 131 Tutan Reyes T Mississippi
5 158 Austin Wheatley TE Iowa
5 166 Chad Morton RB USC
6 168 Marc Bulger QB West Virginia
6 195 Michael Hawthorne DB Purdue
6 200 Sherrod Gideon WR Southern Mississippi
7 228 Kevin Houser FB Ohio State
I think 4 or these guys are still starters in the NFL--bad thing is, out of this group of 4, we only still got Kevin Houser.... lol


Tutan Reyes Carolina (last I heard)
Marc Bulger Rams
Chad Morton still returning kicks for TDs, somewhere, I think.
Kevin Houser Saints :)
 

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youth , depth and future diamonds are in the round 2-5 , especially on positions like DB , were we had lackluster playing the last decade ....

as i mentioned in another thread , the 2nd-5th round is money , just look at the champions ... the colts always have great drafts and some other teams like bears, ravens , pats , packers have good 2nd days also.

when you try to build a team and you have a 100% boom in first round , but nearly 100% bust in the other rounds , it take a long to time to be a contender :)

just look at the guys that went off the board after our picks , in 2nd round alone we had the chance on starters who would have made us a superior team right now...

its hurting my eyes
 

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But championships are built on the second day of the draft----some of our recent selections---we need to do a lot better

4 107 Antonio Pittman RB Ohio State
4 125 Jermon Bushrod T Towson
5 145 David Jones CB Wingate
7 220 Marvin Mitchell LB Tennessee

Evans, Strief and Colston are nice...
4 108 Jahri Evans G Bloomsburg
5 135 Rob Ninkovich DE Purdue
6 171 Mike Hass WR Oregon State
6 174 Josh Lay CB Pittsburgh
7 210 Zach Strief T Northwestern
7 252 Marques Colston WR Hofstra

3 82 Alfred Fincher LB Connecticut
4 118 Chase Lyman WR California
5 152 Adrian McPherson QB Florida State
6 193 Jason Jefferson DT Wisconsin
7 232 Jimmy Verdon DE Arizona State

2 60 Courtney Watson MLB Notre Dame
5 139 Rodney Leisle DT UCLA
5 156 Mike Karney FB Arizona State
7 240 Colby Bockwoldt OLB Brigham Young

1 6 Johnathan Sullivan DT Georgia
2 37 Jonathan Stinchcomb T Georgia
3 86 Cie Grant LB Ohio State
4 102 Montrae Holland G Florida State
5 155 Melvin Williams DE Kansas State
6 203 Kareem Kelly -- USC
7 231 Talman Gardner WR Florida State

4 125 Keyuo Craver CB Nebraska
5 150 Mel Mitchell DB Western Kentucky
6 186 J.T. O'Sullivan QB California-Davis
6 196 John Gilmore TE Penn State
7 224 Derrius Monroe DE Virginia Tech

3 70 Sedrick Hodge LB North Carolina
3 81 Kenny Smith DT Alabama
4 115 Moran Norris RB Kansas
5 153 Onome Ojo WR California-Davis
6 185 Mitch White T Oregon State
7 221 Ennis Davis -- USC

5 131 Tutan Reyes T Mississippi
5 158 Austin Wheatley TE Iowa
5 166 Chad Morton RB USC
6 168 Marc Bulger QB West Virginia
6 195 Michael Hawthorne DB Purdue
6 200 Sherrod Gideon WR Southern Mississippi
7 228 Kevin Houser FB Ohio State
IMO, we did pretty well all in all.....I think all of the bolded players were good selections at the spots they were taken. Let's be practical here, not many players selected lower than round 4 are going to do much at the NFL level and yet, we've found many.
 
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IMO, we did pretty well all in all.....I think all of the bolded players were good selections at the spots they were taken. Let's be practical here, not many players selected lower than round 4 are going to do much at the NFL level and yet, we've found many.
I disagree--Colts 2nd day picks

Keiaho, Johnson, Bethea, are starting--rushing is a returner

3 94 Freddie Keiaho LB San Diego State
5 162 Michael Toudouze G Texas Christian
6 199 Charlie Johnson T Oklahoma State
6 207 Antoine Bethea SS Howard
7 238 T.J. Rushing CB Stanford

Hagler and Giordano are depth players
4 129 Dylan Gandy G Texas Tech
4 135 Matt Giordano DB California
5 148 Jonathan Welsh DE Wisconsin
5 165 Robert Hunt C North Dakota State
5 173 Tyjuan Hagler LB Cincinnati
6 202 Dave Rayner K Michigan State
7 243 Anthony Davis -- Wiscons

4 107 Kendyll Pope LB Florida State
4 125 Jason David CB Washington State
5 141 Jake Scott G Idaho
6 173 Von Hutchins DB Mississippi
6 193 Jim Sorgi QB Wisconsin
7 229 David Kimball K Penn State

2 more starters in Mathis and June
4 122 Steve Sciullo G Marshall
5 138 Robert Mathis DE Alabama A&M
5 162 Keyon Whiteside LB Tennessee
6 198 Cato June DB Michigan
6 208 Makoa Freitas T
Thornton was a starter--now starts for Tennessee
4 106 David Thornton LB North Carolina
6 182 David Pugh DT Virginia Tech
6 183 James Lewis -- Miami (Fla.)
6 204 Brian Allen RB Stanford
7 220 Josh Mallard DE Georgia
 

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5 131 Tutan Reyes T Mississippi
5 158 Austin Wheatley TE Iowa
5 166 Chad Morton RB USC
6 168 Marc Bulger QB West Virginia
6 195 Michael Hawthorne DB Purdue
6 200 Sherrod Gideon WR Southern Mississippi
7 228 Kevin Houser FB Ohio State
We had Marc Bulger and we still used Aaron Brooks!!!!!

It looks like we have drafted plenty of good late round players, and Payton has done an excellent job in the late rounds so far.
 

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youth , depth and future diamonds are in the round 2-5 , especially on positions like DB , were we had lackluster playing the last decade ....

as i mentioned in another thread , the 2nd-5th round is money , just look at the champions ... the colts always have great drafts and some other teams like bears, ravens , pats , packers have good 2nd days also.

when you try to build a team and you have a 100% boom in first round , but nearly 100% bust in the other rounds , it take a long to time to be a contender :)

just look at the guys that went off the board after our picks , in 2nd round alone we had the chance on starters who would have made us a superior team right now...

its hurting my eyes
Just to give you an idea of the success rate of players making teams in rounds 4-7 compared to the Colts and Pats here you go. This is in '06 and '05....I left off '07 becuase it was too recent.

Saints are 3 of 10 in drafting rounds 4-7 with a rate of 30% - 2 starters

Colts are 5 of 10 in drafting rounds 4-7 with a rate of 50% - 1 starter

Pats are 4 of 10 in drafting rounds 4-7 with a rate of 40% - 0 starters

Bears are 6 of 8 in drafting rounds 4-7 with a rate of 75% - 1 starter

Seeing this list shows we don't hit as much but our hits are better for whatever reason.
 

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I disagree--Colts 2nd day picks

Keiaho, Johnson, Bethea, are starting--rushing is a returner

3 94 Freddie Keiaho LB San Diego State
5 162 Michael Toudouze G Texas Christian
6 199 Charlie Johnson T Oklahoma State
6 207 Antoine Bethea SS Howard
7 238 T.J. Rushing CB Stanford

Hagler and Giordano are depth players
4 129 Dylan Gandy G Texas Tech
4 135 Matt Giordano DB California
5 148 Jonathan Welsh DE Wisconsin
5 165 Robert Hunt C North Dakota State
5 173 Tyjuan Hagler LB Cincinnati
6 202 Dave Rayner K Michigan State
7 243 Anthony Davis -- Wiscons

4 107 Kendyll Pope LB Florida State
4 125 Jason David CB Washington State
5 141 Jake Scott G Idaho
6 173 Von Hutchins DB Mississippi
6 193 Jim Sorgi QB Wisconsin
7 229 David Kimball K Penn State

2 more starters in Mathis and June
4 122 Steve Sciullo G Marshall
5 138 Robert Mathis DE Alabama A&M
5 162 Keyon Whiteside LB Tennessee
6 198 Cato June DB Michigan
6 208 Makoa Freitas T
Thornton was a starter--now starts for Tennessee
4 106 David Thornton LB North Carolina
6 182 David Pugh DT Virginia Tech
6 183 James Lewis -- Miami (Fla.)
6 204 Brian Allen RB Stanford
7 220 Josh Mallard DE Georgia

Kieaho was not a 2nd day pick.... and Giordano is not on the Colts roster anymore...just checked.
 
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Its kind of hard to compare the Pats,Colts and Bears with us because they didnt have a lot of starters leave---there is not a lot of room on their teams for rookies to start.....maybe just the Bears on offense....
 

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Its kind of hard to compare the Pats,Colts and Bears with us because they didnt have a lot of starters leave---there is not a lot of room on their teams for rookies to start.....maybe just the Bears on offense....
i am very familiar with the Bears and I can promise you that Evans and Colston would start for them. They would start for the Pats......ad Evans would start for the Colts, Colston would be behind Wayne/Harrison.
 

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Just to give you an idea of the success rate of players making teams in rounds 4-7 compared to the Colts and Pats here you go. This is in '06 and '05....I left off '07 becuase it was too recent.

Saints are 3 of 10 in drafting rounds 4-7 with a rate of 30% - 2 starters

Colts are 5 of 10 in drafting rounds 4-7 with a rate of 50% - 1 starter

Pats are 4 of 10 in drafting rounds 4-7 with a rate of 40% - 0 starters

Bears are 6 of 8 in drafting rounds 4-7 with a rate of 75% - 1 starter

Seeing this list shows we don't hit as much but our hits are better for whatever reason.
most times they are up and coming starters , where our guys usually out of league three years later ....and you have to mention the quality of starters especially on defense these three teams already have , so its just natural that they arent instant starters .... just take the other years , you only showed up the only successfull draftyear....
all these teams are masters in taking a player in 2nd-5th , develop and let him start in their defense . june , tillman , samuel , brackett ,mark anderson , hobbs, vasher . their teams are loaded with own draftpicks ....
 

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