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I'm a semi-regular contributor to this board's conversations, but I'm a constant lurker. That is to say, my post count definitely does not attest to the amount of time I actually spend here. That said, I have noticed some trends and/or ideas that I do not agree with.

I am by no means someone who chooses one opinion and steadfastly stands by it. I can be swayed. And it could be that I'm just not seeing things the way some of you see them. So I'd like to discuss certain opinions and figure out why there are so many who believe the way they do.

1) Deuce is done and might as well get his highlight reel ready for free agency.

I'm just wondering where people have gotten the idea that Deuce McAllister's days as a Saint are now seemingly in the single digits. I've read interviews with Mickey Loomis and Sean Payton that both state that Deuce's rehab is going well, and he's in the Saints' plans for 2008. So why is it that so many are of the steadfast opinion that he will be cut post-haste?

Payton has not shown us a propensity to lie when asked straight up yes/no questions. Many seem to think that he will be cut before his March 15th roster bonus comes due. If the team holds true to what they've stated (and for the record, I think they will), will you change your mind and accept Deuce as a 2008 Saint? Or will you simply mark another date on the calendar for him to pack his bags and leave town?

2) Darren McFadden is the Saints' only option if he falls to #10.

Many of those who believe #1 are also in the camp that believes #2. My question is this: If Darren McFadden falls to #10, what makes you think Mickey Loomis won't spend the Saints' 10 minutes on the clock milking Jerry Jones for everything he's got? The Cowboys have stated that they want McFadden. If Jerry Jones wants something, we know he's not shy about going and getting it. Personally, I think the Cowboys will trade up much earlier than #10 to snag McFadden, but if they can't, I'm almost certain that the Saints will make a deal to move down and take at least one of the Cowboys' first rounders...maybe both or maybe one of their young stars to go with one of their picks.

3) Dominique Rogers Cromartie is the second coming of Deion Sanders.

Statement #1 and #2 I'm a little more opinionated on. Statement #3 I feel I can be more easily swayed. My thing is this. Most of the mock drafts I've seen have this guy going in the late first/early second round. Why are so many on this board so eager to draft him 10th - 10-15 spots higher than most projections? And why do so many like him so much more than the other defensive prospects out there? With the amount of support he gets on this board, it almost seems like members of his family joined up just to post on his behalf.


So that's it. Those are the opinions I've been struggling with in the past couple of weeks on this board. Anyone care to defend these statements or oppose them? I'm open to both sides.
 

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I'm a Falcons fan, but I think I can answer your questions.
1. To recover from two serious knee injuries would be an immpressive feat. Add that to his large salery and the odds would appear to be against him. Never trust what a coach says!
2. Anyone who thinks the Saints should take McFadden doesn't understand football. Ignore them.
3. He is good, plus people have a tendency to over hype players they like.
Thats what I think anyway.
 

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Madden..

But good post; however, I do think the cowboy will trade above us to make that deal.

Ryan???
 

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If Darren McFadden falls to #10, what makes you think Mickey Loomis won't spend the Saints' 10 minutes on the clock milking Jerry Jones for everything he's got?
man I hope so. I'd like to land a few more prospects. Better odds
 

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Duece probably is weighing his options at this very moment. He has to restructure or he is gone. Secondly macfadden is a taller version of reggie, mostly hype, so I would pass on him. Maybe J. Stewart or Mendenhall, this draft is deep at rb. As far as cb, I would go Mckelvin, two birds with one stone. cover corner, and return specialist......................My two cents.
 

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I'm a semi-regular contributor to this board's conversations, but I'm a constant lurker. That is to say, my post count definitely does not attest to the amount of time I actually spend here. That said, I have noticed some trends and/or ideas that I do not agree with.

I am by no means someone who chooses one opinion and steadfastly stands by it. I can be swayed. And it could be that I'm just not seeing things the way some of you see them. So I'd like to discuss certain opinions and figure out why there are so many who believe the way they do.

1) Deuce is done and might as well get his highlight reel ready for free agency.

I'm just wondering where people have gotten the idea that Deuce McAllister's days as a Saint are now seemingly in the single digits. I've read interviews with Mickey Loomis and Sean Payton that both state that Deuce's rehab is going well, and he's in the Saints' plans for 2008. So why is it that so many are of the steadfast opinion that he will be cut post-haste?

Payton has not shown us a propensity to lie when asked straight up yes/no questions. Many seem to think that he will be cut before his March 15th roster bonus comes due. If the team holds true to what they've stated (and for the record, I think they will), will you change your mind and accept Deuce as a 2008 Saint? Or will you simply mark another date on the calendar for him to pack his bags and leave town?

2) Darren McFadden is the Saints' only option if he falls to #10.

Many of those who believe #1 are also in the camp that believes #2. My question is this: If Darren McFadden falls to #10, what makes you think Mickey Loomis won't spend the Saints' 10 minutes on the clock milking Jerry Jones for everything he's got? The Cowboys have stated that they want McFadden. If Jerry Jones wants something, we know he's not shy about going and getting it. Personally, I think the Cowboys will trade up much earlier than #10 to snag McFadden, but if they can't, I'm almost certain that the Saints will make a deal to move down and take at least one of the Cowboys' first rounders...maybe both or maybe one of their young stars to go with one of their picks.

3) Dominique Rogers Cromartie is the second coming of Deion Sanders.

Statement #1 and #2 I'm a little more opinionated on. Statement #3 I feel I can be more easily swayed. My thing is this. Most of the mock drafts I've seen have this guy going in the late first/early second round. Why are so many on this board so eager to draft him 10th - 10-15 spots higher than most projections? And why do so many like him so much more than the other defensive prospects out there? With the amount of support he gets on this board, it almost seems like members of his family joined up just to post on his behalf.


So that's it. Those are the opinions I've been struggling with in the past couple of weeks on this board. Anyone care to defend these statements or oppose them? I'm open to both sides.

Do the board a favor. Post more! :)
 

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I'm a Falcons fan, but I think I can answer your questions.
1. To recover from two serious knee injuries would be an immpressive feat. Add that to his large salery and the odds would appear to be against him. Never trust what a coach says!
2. Anyone who thinks the Saints should take McFadden doesn't understand football. Ignore them.
3. He is good, plus people have a tendency to over hype players they like.
Thats what I think anyway.

i did'nt get past the first line......your confused.......find professional help....
 

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i did'nt get past the first line......your confused.......find professional help....
Ignorant much?

To the OP: I agree with you on everything, for the most part. I'm not sure about Deuce, but I've only heard good reports about his health. The people who want McFadden at #10 are BPA supporters. I have been swayed to like BPA, just not McFadden. DRC receives all his hype from his Senior Bowl performance, which is an impressive level to perform at with all the tough players he goes against, he also was surrounded by good defenders aswell.

Great post aswell :9:
 

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I'm a Falcons fan, but I think I can answer your questions.
1. To recover from two serious knee injuries would be an immpressive feat. Add that to his large salery and the odds would appear to be against him. Never trust what a coach says!
2. Anyone who thinks the Saints should take McFadden doesn't understand football. Ignore them.
3. He is good, plus people have a tendency to over hype players they like.
Thats what I think anyway.

just curious, who do you think the dirty birds should take with their 1st round pick?
 

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There is no science to the draft,... I don't care what people try to convince you. I haven't seen one formula work to any level of success. Success in one will inevitably means falure in the next. If not, go to th casino with that stat!

The draft is full of guys who were supposed to be the "second coming" and they end of being gone in 5 years. Conversely, teams that "reach" for players end up getting a gold mine.

All that being said,... Just because "Mel Kiper" said a player is an early 2nd rounder doesn't mean more than one team will wait until the 2nd round to pick him up. If you trade down when there is a player you want still on the board, you are essentially gambling he will still be there when you pick.

In years past, when I watched a lot of college football,.. I had my favorites and I didn't care what the "Mel Kipers" had to say about it. Sometimes, they were right, sometimes, I was right. Its a real crap shoot!


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1. The belief that Deuce is done comes from two things: His age relative to position and his injuries. RBs generally don't have long shelf lives, so it's only natural to think that a RB entering his 7th year or so who is also coming off of 2 serious knee injuries won't exactly be able to hold up for an entire season.

2. Darren McFadden is the only option at 10 on this board because the majority of the people posting on this site are from the south, and thus, are probably SEC Football fans. And most SEC fans will say that McFadden is unbelievable. The other side of the coin is that many fans are generally "what have you done for me lately?" ... so McFadden's awesomeness combined with Reggie's disappointments and Deuce's age/injuries give you a message board saying that McFadden is the only option at 10.

3. Cromartie's the 2nd coming because this is what people have seen from him: A defensive MVP performance at the Senior Bowl and an amazing combine.
 

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Duece probably is weighing his options at this very moment. He has to restructure or he is gone. Secondly macfadden is a taller version of reggie, mostly hype, so I would pass on him. Maybe J. Stewart or Mendenhall, this draft is deep at rb. As far as cb, I would go Mckelvin, two birds with one stone. cover corner, and return specialist......................My two cents.
McFadden and Reggie are not alike at all. McFadden is a hard hitter who runs through the lines. Reggie is a "open" space player with great receiving skills. McFadden was not over utilized as a receiver, as He and Jones made life easier for the razorback receivers.
The Saint's don't need McFadden as they are well stocked at RB, and no matter how bad the press Diss's McFadden he will not be on the board past three, he is just too good and the character thing is being WAAAYYYYY overblown by the press.
Kris
 

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I'm a semi-regular contributor to this board's conversations, but I'm a constant lurker. That is to say, my post count definitely does not attest to the amount of time I actually spend here. That said, I have noticed some trends and/or ideas that I do not agree with.

I am by no means someone who chooses one opinion and steadfastly stands by it. I can be swayed. And it could be that I'm just not seeing things the way some of you see them. So I'd like to discuss certain opinions and figure out why there are so many who believe the way they do.

1) Deuce is done and might as well get his highlight reel ready for free agency.

I'm just wondering where people have gotten the idea that Deuce McAllister's days as a Saint are now seemingly in the single digits. I've read interviews with Mickey Loomis and Sean Payton that both state that Deuce's rehab is going well, and he's in the Saints' plans for 2008. So why is it that so many are of the steadfast opinion that he will be cut post-haste?

Payton has not shown us a propensity to lie when asked straight up yes/no questions. Many seem to think that he will be cut before his March 15th roster bonus comes due. If the team holds true to what they've stated (and for the record, I think they will), will you change your mind and accept Deuce as a 2008 Saint? Or will you simply mark another date on the calendar for him to pack his bags and leave town?

2) Darren McFadden is the Saints' only option if he falls to #10.

Many of those who believe #1 are also in the camp that believes #2. My question is this: If Darren McFadden falls to #10, what makes you think Mickey Loomis won't spend the Saints' 10 minutes on the clock milking Jerry Jones for everything he's got? The Cowboys have stated that they want McFadden. If Jerry Jones wants something, we know he's not shy about going and getting it. Personally, I think the Cowboys will trade up much earlier than #10 to snag McFadden, but if they can't, I'm almost certain that the Saints will make a deal to move down and take at least one of the Cowboys' first rounders...maybe both or maybe one of their young stars to go with one of their picks.

3) Dominique Rogers Cromartie is the second coming of Deion Sanders.

Statement #1 and #2 I'm a little more opinionated on. Statement #3 I feel I can be more easily swayed. My thing is this. Most of the mock drafts I've seen have this guy going in the late first/early second round. Why are so many on this board so eager to draft him 10th - 10-15 spots higher than most projections? And why do so many like him so much more than the other defensive prospects out there? With the amount of support he gets on this board, it almost seems like members of his family joined up just to post on his behalf.


So that's it. Those are the opinions I've been struggling with in the past couple of weeks on this board. Anyone care to defend these statements or oppose them? I'm open to both sides.
man, this is a really good post 2nd stringer

#3 is probably because of his senior bowl and combine results. honestly i like him alot but looking at game tape i think Leodis McKelvin is the more NFL ready. i love McKelvin's smoothness in his back pedal and the way he breaks on the ball, but as far as turnovers and game changing plays, DRC will probably shine over him at this point
 

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3) Dominique Rogers Cromartie is the second coming of Deion Sanders.

Statement #1 and #2 I'm a little more opinionated on. Statement #3 I feel I can be more easily swayed. My thing is this. Most of the mock drafts I've seen have this guy going in the late first/early second round. Why are so many on this board so eager to draft him 10th - 10-15 spots higher than most projections? And why do so many like him so much more than the other defensive prospects out there? With the amount of support he gets on this board, it almost seems like members of his family joined up just to post on his behalf.


So that's it. Those are the opinions I've been struggling with in the past couple of weeks on this board. Anyone care to defend these statements or oppose them? I'm open to both sides.

I really don't think its a case of "projections", and where players are "projected to go"... if YOUR player is available when its your pick then you take him. I don't think any team's FO really cares what McShay, or Kiper has to say about players because teams pay a ton of money for scouts, and the entire scouting department that they employ. Especially this staff... they take who they want regardless of what the player's projected slot is.

Case in point... who even knew that the Saints would take Roman Harper in round 2? He was "projected" somewhere in the 4th or 5th... same is the case with Jahri Evans... you can't go by what the "experts" say... if your player is on the board then you take him.

I'm not speaking for everybody.. its just my opinion.
 

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