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Say what you want about him but he only lost 5 games and won many big games. He’s a dual threat QB with good pocket awareness. His arm is good enough but not elite. So was Brees’.
He had over 1,100 pass attempts in college. This is a huge stat that helps with succeeding in the NFL. Playing QB is about experience and reps, reps, reps.

And then there’s Sean Payton, don’t underestimate what he can turn Ian Book into. He did it with Brees, a guy many people underestimated. This was Sean’s pick, just like AK was in 2017.

 

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Just out of curiosity, what is it that drives the evaluation of Book down to late Rnd - FA in many people's eyes? Clearly he's shorter than what you'd want. He also doesn't have tremendous arm talent.

I watched JT O'Sullivan's evaluation (somewhat weird, part 1 was largely bad, part 2 was largely good). What I took away from that was sometimes holds on to the ball too long and doesn't pull the trigger when he should, and can make some really nice, accurate throws.

Obviously he passes that Bill Parcels formula. And he has very good athleticism and ability as a runner.

But what are the key issues which drive his valuation down, for some/many, from a viable prospect to less than that. Which of these issues are correctable and which are not?
 

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Just out of curiosity, what is it that drives the evaluation of Book down to late Rnd - FA in many people's eyes? Clearly he's shorter than what you'd want. He also doesn't have tremendous arm talent.

I watched JT O'Sullivan's evaluation (somewhat weird, part 1 was largely bad, part 2 was largely good). What I took away from that was sometimes holds on to the ball too long and doesn't pull the trigger when he should, and can make some really nice, accurate throws.

Obviously he passes that Bill Parcels formula. And he has very good athleticism and ability as a runner.

But what are the key issues which drive his valuation down, for some/many, from a viable prospect to less than that. Which of these issues are correctable and which are not?
As a ND fan id say his main negatives are:
- armstrength that is lacking enough to imho be prohibitive as it was a clear issue and very restricting on the offense even in college
- Mid and Deep accuracy, short accuracy is acceptable
- Pocket presence is worse than absent, he manages at times to find a pass rush where there really is none
- Size obviously
- Dont think his scrambling skills will translate to the nfl with better athletes across from him (that being said, it did work against bigger teams in college)
- Gets stuck in negative spirals at times

imho these should be enough to never draft a guy like this but there are also very clear positives
- Absolutely great and bright kid, will fight his arse off
- Pretty good improviser
- Smart and effective scrambler
- Decent accuracy on the run going to his right, to his left its kinda meh
- Great locker room guy
- Have no doubt hell pick up the playbook well and quickly
 

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Say what you want about him but he only lost 5 games and won many big games. He’s a dual threat QB with good pocket awareness. His arm is good enough but not elite. So was Brees’.
He had over 1,100 pass attempts in college. This is a huge stat that helps with succeeding in the NFL. Playing QB is about experience and reps, reps, reps.

And then there’s Sean Payton, don’t underestimate what he can turn Ian Book into. He did it with Brees, a guy many people underestimated. This was Sean’s pick, just like AK was in 2017.

 

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Johnny Manziel had a 20-5 record in the SEC
 

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That Johnny Manziel chap pretty much killed my old teammate Ray Farmer's career :D

To be fair, he was drafted in the first round...
Who knows what Manziel might have done had he had his head on straight.

Book is very similar but Manziel was faster.
 

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Johnny Manziel had a 20-5 record in the SEC
This is all true, and at the sametime, somewhat irrelevant.

It's all based on a false syllogism.

Book will be what Book will be. The odds are relatively high that that won't be much when it's all said and done. Those odds are driven by a number of factors - physical parameters, skill set, capabilities and capacities. It's a huge jump for any QB to make, even those with tremendous skill sets and the highest expectations.

I don't love the pick and I don't have high hopes. I do, however, accept that he has a chance, slim though it may be, to stick around for a while and, should the stars align, make something decent of himself. And there is always that lightning in a bottle possibility.
 

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Who knows what Manziel might have done had he had his head on straight.

Book is very similar but Manziel was faster.
Agreed, Manziel had a few things going for him and was a better prospect than Book I would argue. But ultimately, this game is as much about mental fortitude as it is about the physical, that goes doubly so for QB's where processing and mental intangibles count for more than most positions.
 

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