Saints Ian Book vs Clemson (1 Viewer)

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Say what you want about him but he only lost 5 games and won many big games. He’s a dual threat QB with good pocket awareness. His arm is good enough but not elite. So was Brees’.
He had over 1,100 pass attempts in college. This is a huge stat that helps with succeeding in the NFL. Playing QB is about experience and reps, reps, reps.

And then there’s Sean Payton, don’t underestimate what he can turn Ian Book into. He did it with Brees, a guy many people underestimated. This was Sean’s pick, just like AK was in 2017.

 

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? Nowhere was that mentioned about Saints not making a Super Bowl with late round players or not needing late round players.

Your point was there were positions to be upgraded in round 4 and still needs or holes to be filled in round 4, despite taking care of needs at DL, LB, & CB with each pick in the first 3 rounds.

Having holes to fill was proven to be untrue and you bringing up late round picks in the hall of fame didn’t make sense so you change the narrative with inserting things that were never said about not making a Super Bowl with late round picks

If you hate the Book pick in round 4, then it’s because you hate it. Not because the Saints needed to find a franchise player in round 4 or have no players on the roster
If they didn't have holes to fill there wouldn't have been a single player drafted after round 3.

Why sign any UDFAs If there aren't holes?

Are you listening to yourself?
 

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If they didn't have holes to fill there wouldn't have been a single player drafted after round 3.

Why sign any UDFAs If there aren't holes?

Are you listening to yourself?
I think 'holes' may the wrong term to use. A hole, to me at least, is a significant gap in the top two layers of the depth chart. Describing having space for more competition for 2nd/ 3rd/ 4th layers on the depth chart as 'holes' doesn't feel quite right.

Completely agreed that DT, WR, and TE could have used another player to compete for 2nd/3rd/4th layer of the depth chart. Robust competition engenders success. But it was more about finding players with some good traits who could compete, and maybe even make a difference if you hit it lucky. Not quite filling 'holes' or blank spaces in the roster. One has to believe that some of these areas of weakness will also be supplemented by cheap but experienced vets.

The only areas where there was a real hole was at CB and LB where there is a starting position at play as well as the associated significant contributor roles. Everything else was in the 'more competition for a significant contributor role' or less.
 
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As a ND fan id say his main negatives are:
- armstrength that is lacking enough to imho be prohibitive as it was a clear issue and very restricting on the offense even in college
- Mid and Deep accuracy, short accuracy is acceptable
- Pocket presence is worse than absent, he manages at times to find a pass rush where there really is none
- Size obviously
- Dont think his scrambling skills will translate to the nfl with better athletes across from him (that being said, it did work against bigger teams in college)
- Gets stuck in negative spirals at times

imho these should be enough to never draft a guy like this but there are also very clear positives
- Absolutely great and bright kid, will fight his arse off
- Pretty good improviser
- Smart and effective scrambler
- Decent accuracy on the run going to his right, to his left its kinda meh
- Great locker room guy
- Have no doubt hell pick up the playbook well and quickly
"- Pocket presence is worse than absent, he manages at times to find a pass rush where there really is none"
I'm not sure if this happened in one or two games and just stuck with you or what, but, after watching the senior bowl, two games vs clemson, and a game against alabama, I liked his pocket awareness and footwork. I also think his scrambling skills can translate well. Book doesn't just test fast, his game speed is quick and fast. And his short to mid pass accuracy are at least above average. I saw a small sample size of deep balls, but I recall some pretty passes thrown to Chase Claypool deep
Felt the pressure here from his blind side:
View attachment RPReplay_Final1620013224.mov
Moved to create a hole in coverage and threw a very accurate pass:
View attachment RPReplay_Final1620011215.mov
 

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I think the vision is a Russel Wilson type of game. Alot of his game is extending plays. He cant sling it like Wilson can though. There is a little there. Shades of Mark Brunell. But arm talent and anticipation throwing not up to par to me..More probable that he gets phased out of the NFL pretty quickly then having a long career even in a back capacity
 

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I think 'holes' may the wrong term to use. A hole, to me at least, is a significant gap in the top two layers of the depth chart. Describing having space for more competition for 2nd/ 3rd/ 4th layers on the depth chart as 'holes' doesn't feel quite right.

Completely agreed that DT, WR, and TE could have used another player to compete for 2nd/3rd/4th layer of the depth chart. Robust competition engenders success. But it was more about finding players with some good traits who could compete, and maybe even make a difference if you hit it lucky. Not quite filling 'holes' or blank spaces in the roster. One has to believe that some of these areas of weakness will also be supplemented by cheap but experienced vets.

The only areas where there was a real hole was at CB and LB where there is a starting position at play as well as the associated significant contributor roles. Everything else was in the 'more competition for a significant contributor role' or less.

Agreed that’s the better term, space for competition at that point in the draft from rds 4-7.

Competition is nothing for one to lose their mind about if players at certain positions aren’t selected that late in the draft to come in at compete for backup spots.

People were actually upset about Ian Book selected over bringing in 2nd-3rd string competition
 
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I think the vision is a Russel Wilson type of game. Alot of his game is extending plays. He cant sling it like Wilson can though. There is a little there. Shades of Mark Brunell. But arm talent and anticipation throwing not up to par to me..More probable that he gets phased out of the NFL pretty quickly then having a long career even in a back capacity

I'm a Jags fan...and Brunell really is one of my favorite NFL players of all-time. It was amazing to see him get a ring on the Saints. If Book can be remotely close to Brunell, that'd be pretty amazing.
 

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Agreed that’s the better term, space for competition at that point in the draft from rds 4-7.

Competition is nothing for one to lose their mind about if players at certain positions aren’t selected that late in the draft to come in at compete for backup spots.

People were actually upset about Ian Book selected over bringing in 2nd-3rd string competition
To be fair and to do it justice, bringing in the right players for competition is vitally important, even if for space for contributors. Ultimately any player in any position who can come in and compete and win a job on the roster will be better than Book if he doesn't pan out at all.

Personally I would have chosen someone at another position with our 4th round pick, but that's completely without reference to the saints draft board or their vision for various players.

But I do understand that QB is a slightly different case due to the importance of the position and you have to take shots where you feel there's a chance for someone to develop.
 

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Is that a bad thing? He may/may not be a starter in the NFL but can be a quality backup.

If he ends up being a quality backup, I'd say that's a good use of a 4th round pick. We're definitely thin there because I'd rather not have to rely on Hill in that role.
 

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That was a pretty exciting game clip to watch. Book seemed under pressure for nearly the entire game and the O Line broke down a bunch, so I'm not sure I can get a real impression of him. That said, and I don't know anything about anything, my observations are these based on this one video:

Good
  1. He plays heads up, going through his reads when he has time. When he doesn't have time, he's mobile enough to buy time when he scrambles, mostly still looking for opportunities down field.
  2. He doesn't take a lot of bad risks, if coverage is tight or looks to be tightening, he looks elsewhere or scrambles to make a play.
  3. He's aware of where he is on the field and gets to the sideline to throw away balls when plays breakdown. He only took one sack when he was pressured on nearly every play.
Bad
  1. Not a ton of arm talent. Accuracy is just ok and he doesn't seem to have a lot of downfield throwing strength.
  2. He plays on his tip toes quite a bit due to his height, this definitely hurts his throwing strength. Maybe that could be coached out of him, but who knows.
I'm certainly not a QB evaluator. I like his poise and his drive. He's clearly a winner and probably talented enough to be on an NFL football roster, but I'm not sure it's at starting QB. More likely as a backup that won't lose you a game if called into action, but unlikely to carry a team on his back at the NFL level either. Having said all of that, you might be able to develop skills in a player, but you can't teach smarts, poise and drive. He has all of those things from my view on the couch.
 

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That was a pretty exciting game clip to watch. Book seemed under pressure for nearly the entire game and the O Line broke down a bunch, so I'm not sure I can get a real impression of him. That said, and I don't know anything about anything, my observations are these based on this one video:

Good
  1. He plays heads up, going through his reads when he has time. When he doesn't have time, he's mobile enough to buy time when he scrambles, mostly still looking for opportunities down field.
  2. He doesn't take a lot of bad risks, if coverage is tight or looks to be tightening, he looks elsewhere or scrambles to make a play.
  3. He's aware of where he is on the field and gets to the sideline to throw away balls when plays breakdown. He only took one sack when he was pressured on nearly every play.
Bad
  1. Not a ton of arm talent. Accuracy is just ok and he doesn't seem to have a lot of downfield throwing strength.
  2. He plays on his tip toes quite a bit due to his height, this definitely hurts his throwing strength. Maybe that could be coached out of him, but who knows.
I'm certainly not a QB evaluator. I like his poise and his drive. He's clearly a winner and probably talented enough to be on an NFL football roster, but I'm not sure it's at starting QB. More likely as a backup that won't lose you a game if called into action, but unlikely to carry a team on his back at the NFL level either. Having said all of that, you might be able to develop skills in a player, but you can't teach smarts, poise and drive. He has all of those things from my view on the couch.

His arm strength question is not viable in my opinion because he's made every throw from short, intermediate to deep throws. He's does not have a rocket arm but you never needed on in this offense and to piggy back off your observation he makes good decisions with the ball goes through his reads and a bonus to what he may bring to the offense has the ability to scramble for yards or scramble to keep plays alive.

Ian Book will be an exciting player to add to this offense in the Baker Mayfield mold. He looks like Brees 2.0
 

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If he ends up being a quality backup, I'd say that's a good use of a 4th round pick. We're definitely thin there because I'd rather not have to rely on Hill in that role.
I want Taysom in either the starter role or his Joker Role. I don't just want him on the sideline holding a clip board.
 
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Payton sees something in him that he thinks he can work with. Sometimes that’s all that matters. I know we’ve had other QBs that didn’t pan out. I think that’s more often the norm, so I am obviously not expecting much, but you never know what can come of a player under the right coach. We may be drafting a QB in every draft for 6 more years for all we know. That’s why, though it was inevitable and time, it was hard to see Brees go.
 

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