If the Russians really wanted to mess with us. (Election tampering) (1 Viewer)

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If our good friends in the Kremlin truly wanted to see the feces hit the fan this November, they'd make it look like a Trump landslide. But only look like one.
They wouldn't have to change actual votes, just flip a few bits in the polling data that goes out to reporters.
Can you imagine the freakout there would be if Trump is reported to be pulling off a landslide for the first few hours of coverage and then the media outlets have to issue a retraction?
"We apologize. The Trump victory we've been describing is a hoax. Hillary Clinton is actually winning in the battleground state of Florida and Pennsylvania. Not Donald Trump. It seems hackers have infiltrated the data we receive to reverse the results. More on this development as it unfolds."

Donald would come unglued. Not to mention his supporters.
 

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One of the polls finds 41% of voters (and 73%) of Republicans, think there's a chance the election will be "stolen" from Trump.

The Kremlin doesn't need to do anything to mess with us. Trump is doing a fine job by himself.

But I'm sure he's losing his mind with all the "rigged" talk for the good of the country.
 

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This situation is more dangerous for the country than anything that has happened in our lifetimes.

The threat of terrorism is nothing compared to Trump convincing his people the election won't be legitimate. Even without Russian interference.
 

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This situation is more dangerous for the country than anything that has happened in our lifetimes.

The threat of terrorism is nothing compared to Trump convincing his people the election won't be legitimate. Even without Russian interference.
I found the article about the poll:

The public sentiment is beginning to reflect Trump's campaign message. Over the last week, the GOP nominee has intensified his criticism of the U.S. electoral system, much to the chagrin of elected Republicans, who think it threatens the peaceful transfer of power. Trump calls the process rigged, and has said the media is colluding with Hillary Clinton to throw the presidential race in her favor.

Trump’s comments casting doubt upon the process have drawn a gentle rebuke from House Speaker Paul Ryan, whose spokesperson put out what would ordinarily be an unremarkable statement on Saturday: “Our democracy relies on confidence in election results, and the speaker is fully confident the states will carry out this election with integrity.”

Poll: 41 percent of voters say election could be
 

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It's one thing to hack email accounts. It's entirely another matter to intercept and alter real-time information. Plus, I don't think that information is centralized. It is coming from various sources and boots on the ground - then back to the media outlets for analysis, often by in-house analysts (at least at the big networks).

That's why sometimes one network will call a state at a different time than another.
 

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There was also a WaPo op-ed this morning relevant to the OP:

Of course, Trump’s populist campaign is no more comparable to the pro-democracy insurgencies in formerly Soviet lands such as Ukraine and Belarus than Clinton’s administration-in-waiting is to the Putin regime. But Putin’s audacious goal is to create the illusion that they are. “He’s trying to establish that our system is just as bad, just as corrupt, as his,” says Brian Whitmore, a senior editor of Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty.

The first step of the campaign was to hack the computers of the Democratic National Committee and senior party figures and distribute — sometimes with alterations — material that was purported to show Clinton’s rigging of the system. The DNC was revealed, unsurprisingly, to lean against socialist-turned-Democrat Bernie Sanders; Clinton’s campaign team was shown to be making political calculations about her public statements. As if on cue, Trump and his surrogates responded with mock shock and charges of “corruption.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...-card-c:homepage/story&utm_term=.bc45b5d6bc71
 

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And all the states are responsible for their own election processes and they have wildly differing rules (method of voting, poll hours, etc, etc). That's one of the things (of many, many, HUGE things) that is making Trump look idiotic. There's no way to rig the election on the national level. You will have to rig 50 different states or even go so far as to affect precincts on a local level.

It's nutjob fantasy.
 

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This campaign is probably exceeding Russia's wildest expectations and best hopes. They are helping to decay America without even firing a shot. They are turning the American people against each other and all it took was to hack one side of a two-sided system.
 

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Hilary will have us at war. Just hope I live outside the USA by then
 

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Hilary will have us at war. Just hope I live outside the USA by then

War with Russia is almost inevitable. It's got more to do with Putin than who is in charge of the US.

Putin is just trying to choose the leader he gets to go to war against, and his choice is obvious.
 
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It's one thing to hack email accounts. It's entirely another matter to intercept and alter real-time information. Plus, I don't think that information is centralized. It is coming from various sources and boots on the ground - then back to the media outlets for analysis, often by in-house analysts (at least at the big networks).

That's why sometimes one network will call a state at a different time than another.
The real-time stream isn't likely to be as well defended, though. And just causing confusion (like having one news outlet call it for Trump while another goes Clinton, with widely varying margins) would be enough.
 

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Russia may have excellent hackers, but they don't have people that are good at basic math and editing when they do hack numerical data.

Putin Clings to Victory as Russia's Voter Turnout Exceeds 146%



If we get 146% turnout, we'll know something is up. Of course this is from before Putin ordering Nemtsov's death, so they could have improved by now.
 

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I don't think this would be possible.

1) It would require compromising one of the big five networks (Fox, CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC). Of those five, I can only see one (Fox) isn't going to do a double take when given favorable Trump numbers which are way off what they expect from recent polls

2) There are far too many links in the communication chain, to hack all of them simultaneously.

3) You don't necessary know all of those links, which is probably inside info. That is, who is handing the data to Sean Hannity or whoever? Where is that person getting their data from?

4) I wouldn't be surprised if there is still low-tech involved (plain old phone calls) which is pretty much unhackable.
 
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I don't think this would be possible.

1) It would require compromising one of the big five networks (Fox, CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC). Of those five, I can only see one (Fox) isn't going to do a double take when given favorable Trump numbers which are way off what they expect from recent polls

2) There are far too many links in the communication chain, to hack all of them simultaneously.

3) You don't necessary know all of those links, which is probably inside info. That is, who is handing the data to Sean Hannity or whoever? Where is that person getting their data from?

4) I wouldn't be surprised if there is still low-tech involved (plain old phone calls) which is pretty much unhackable.
You don't have to hack all the machines, just a few. In a few key spots.

Or, you can hack just one side and air all their dirty laundry while withholding the info you got from hacking the other side to use in case they get elected.

If you're a Russian intrusion specialist and you have A: All the equipment and funding you could possibly ask for and B: Zero fear of getting caught, there's a whole world of possibilities you and your buddies can exploit.
 

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Reality is infinitely more entertaining than the OP premise.
 

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