If the Saints have a very high pick... (1 Viewer)

[mountaineerdude]

Saints need to get a Myles Garrett or some other great pass rusher .....we need someone along side Jordan .... and We need a good run stuffing DT in the 2nd .... Oline can be dealt with in the later rounds .... trade Ingram or Vaccaro or Byrd for all I care .... We need a defensive foundation similar to that of the Panthers .... a Strong front 7 can take care of an average secondary ...

 

[Sazed]

Why is everyone acting like Drew is the problem. He's not. Ok. Jesus......Leave the dude behind center as long as he produces. Can we draft a beast defender for once in our God given lives.

I don't view Drew as anything but the best player this team has ever had. As good as he is however, he is not immortal at some point he will retire. That will very likely take place in the next 2-3 years. I'm not saying to trade him, cut him or anything of the sort, in my view as long as he wants to play in a Saints uniform, and is still playing at a high level there should be no questions asked. IF we get a high pick and can take a consensus top tier QB then yes of course you do it. He sits behind Drew until he is ready to hang it up and soaks in as much from the guy as he possibly can.

 

[Eman5805]

Saints need to get a Myles Garrett or some other great pass rusher .....we need someone along side Jordan .... and We need a good run stuffing DT in the 2nd .... Oline can be dealt with in the later rounds .... trade Ingram or Vaccaro or Byrd for all I care .... We need a defensive foundation similar to that of the Panthers .... a Strong front 7 can take care of an average secondary ...

Tim Williams is a guy to consider in terms of pass rushers.

Alabama's 3rd down specialist. But with his tools he should be better against the run. But they give that honor to Ryan Anderson instead for first and second down.

 

[bobad]

I don't view Drew as anything but the best player this team has ever had. As good as he is however, he is not immortal at some point he will retire. That will very likely take place in the next 2-3 years. I'm not saying to trade him, cut him or anything of the sort, in my view as long as he wants to play in a Saints uniform, and is still playing at a high level there should be no questions asked. IF we get a high pick and can take a consensus top tier QB then yes of course you do it. He sits behind Drew until he is ready to hang it up and soaks in as much from the guy as he possibly can.

Totally agree, but I don't think teams do what anymore. Teams try to play potential franchise QBs the first year.

 

[mountaineerdude]

Tim Williams is a guy to consider in terms of pass rushers.

Alabama's 3rd down specialist. But with his tools he should be better against the run. But they give that honor to Ryan Anderson instead for first and second down.

I can care less if it's an Alabama guy or someone else .... We need good pass rush ....

 

[sammymvpknight]

We will have a mediocre pick. We'll win a few meaningless games in the end and piss away any pick in the top 8.

Considering that the Saints can't do anything right...and that includes being in a position to get a blue chip prospect, I agree.

 

[Eman5805]

I can care less if it's an Alabama guy or someone else .... We need good pass rush ....

The Alabama part was just saying who he played for in case some weren't aware and wanted to look him up. Because if you just Google Tim Williams you get someone else entirely.

Also, here's a nice article on him:

Film study: How Alabama unleashed the beast in Tim Williams

 

[RetroMcBananaFace]

I was thinking this last night, and I almost started a thread but decided not to for fear of getting shouted down. But if Pat Mahomes is there when we draft, is that really a guy we could pass up? I'm not saying dump Drew, but that guy (Mahomes) is special. He has a lot of Drew Brees qualities. I would love to see what SP could do with a player like him.

 

[Eman5805]

Mahomes gets away with a lot of throws that will drive NFL coaches up the wall. Throwing off his back foot, throwing across his body, etc.

But he slings it in there quite well.

If he has the wherewithal to learn an NFL caliber playbook and figure out how to recognize pre-snap looks and how to identify the mike, etc...then he can be the Brees successor.

But he certainly does none of that in college.

 

[RetroMcBananaFace]

Mahomes gets away with a lot of throws that will drive NFL coaches up the wall. Throwing off his back foot, throwing across his body, etc.

But he slings it in there quite well.

Kind of what I was getting at. Brees does those things too, but his fundamentals are so good and he has such good control of his body that his balance is always there. So even when he is throwing off of one foot, in mid-air, etc. the ball still goes exactly where he wants it to. best example I can think of here:

Mahomes does a lot of those same things. In fact, I've seen him make that exact same throw, jumping over a lineman with both feet in the air and hit the WR right between the numbers, 20-25 yards downfield.

If he has the wherewithal to learn an NFL caliber playbook and figure out how to recognize pre-snap looks and how to identify the mike, etc...then he can be the Brees successor.

But he certainly does none of that in college.

Agree, that's why I said I'd love to see what SP could do with him. He plays in a gimmicky offense but the tools are there, the arm, the throwing fundamentals and the pocket awareness. The stuff he's lacking is very learnable - we forget, but Drew had to learn a lot of those things along the way too. Watch a clip of 2006 Drew vs. 2009 to present, he's a much different QB.

 

[Eman5805]

By the way, Fanspeak's mock draft machine has us picking 4th right now:

Just ran one for the halibut (yeah, "one"), got this:

4: R1P4​

EDGE MYLES GARRETT
TEXAS A&M

36: R2P4​

DL JONATHAN ALLEN
ALABAMA

68: R3P4​

G DORIAN JOHNSON
PITTSBURGH

106: R4P4​

QB C.J. BEATHARD
IOWA

183: R6P4​

CB JEREMY CUTRER
MIDDLE TENNESSEE

222: R7P4​

TE PHAZAHN ODOM
FORDHAM



Fanspeak's On the Clock NFL Mock Draft Simulator


Safe to say this won't happen. But if it did, our defensive line woes would be solved from here until eternity.

 

[Ken-Bob]

This is something I've thought a lot about recently.
If the Saints have a relatively high draft pick, the opportunity to get the quarterback of the future, considering that Brees may only have 2-4 years left, is a virtual no-brainer to me. But that only works IF the QB of the future really exists in this years draft. Interestingly, last year's draft seems to have possibly been a sleeper year for QBs because several lesser known talents have done fairly well. But I don't think you can depend on that.

On the other hand, what if you don't fall in love with one of the top guys in this year's draft? Do you trade down and maybe pick up an extra one in 2018? Then you go and get a good edge rusher (for me that's the absolute top need)? Then maybe take a flyer on a lesser known talent in the later rounds? I kind of like C. J. Beatherd from Iowa and I REALLY like Mason Rudolph from OK State as 2nd round or later development projects.

So it really all boils down to how much the FO likes whoever is there in the early first. If that's Kizer, Watson, or Kaaya, so be it. I don't think any of them are sure bets, though. Maybe someone will rise up the boards like Wentz did last year.

 

[whodat79]

Myles Garrett could be another Vonn Miller coming from the same school. I would like to be to have Garrett being our pass rusher. If he is not available when we pick trade back and get a stock pile of young talent to build around. We will still have a ton of dead money on the books and rookie contracts are perfect for our cap situation. We have been ineffective signing big money FA so hopefully we can have better luck in the draft. I know our history in the draft lately has been mediocre but there is bright spots recently to be excited for.

 

[ACCOUNTNOLONGERINUSE]

If the other 31 teams in the NFL drafted Garret then he'd turn into a stud. If we however Draft him, he will suck.

No, he'd be great for three games a season. He'd be injured all the time like Ellerbe.

 

[batonrougepig]

My G-d it's not even October and Saints fans are already looking at next year's draft. Lord a-mighty it's been a demoralizing couple o' weeks......