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Let's face it guys we won't win until we start getting younger in most of these vet positions. We can't afford to keep everyone but at least lets just break down the right way and put it all back together. SAINTS 4 LIFE!!! Winston will find another home else where and so will Taysom.
 

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The objective analysis that he was trying to make is that you don't know if that player can operate in much dirtier pockets in the NFL. Regardless what anyone think about the offensive line. Offensive line play isn't great across the league. It's only good in really small pockets and that's only 3/5 of the line at times.

Easy throws part wasn't a direct correlation to just a wide open person, but the pocket that he occupy. A QB in the NFL must know how to navigate the pocket and that's a complete skill set that he'll have to learn in year one at an accelerated pace.

He's not a viable starter in year one. Tua was in the same boat and ran into the same exact issues. You're really gonna have to baby him to get him to be a viable starter. I don't think Payton has that patience.

A lot of people seem to really think WRs is his dead end when it's really how much quality offensive line play he'll need that will make or break him. Hi passers rating drop 20 points under pressure and for a QB that doesn't get hit, not very mobile, or pressured a lot. That is a Red flag.

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great analysis
I'm all aboard the Mac Jones or Kyle Trask trains!!! Would be very excited to get either one and it's looking like one of them may be sitting there when we draft.

I'd take either of those guys over Zach Wilson, Justin Fields, or Trey Lance. The latter have high bust potential imo. Justin Fields holds the ball way too long and it is unknown whether he can make the quick reads/decisions/progressions that are required in the NFL. Same can be said about Zach Wilson. Trey Lance made a poor decision in opting out after a terrible one game performance this season.
 

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I'm all aboard the Mac Jones or Kyle Trask trains!!! Would be very excited to get either one and it's looking like one of them may be sitting there when we draft.

I'd take either of those guys over Zach Wilson, Justin Fields, or Trey Lance. The latter have high bust potential imo. Justin Fields holds the ball way too long and it is unknown whether he can make the quick reads/decisions/progressions that are required in the NFL. Same can be said about Zach Wilson. Trey Lance made a poor decision in opting out after a terrible one game performance this season.

I agreed with your initial sentiment but the latter I have to disagree with. I like Mac Jones for the Saints and would be happy with Trask if he is available and the Saints are high on him. There is some QB talent in this years draft and like any other position just because the top guy at the position is already taken does not mean the everybody else at the position is going to be bad because he was the 2nd-5th player taken at the position.
 
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I agreed with your initial sentiment but the latter I have to disagree with. I like Mac Jones for the Saints and would be happy with Trask if he is available and the Saints are high on him, there is some QB talent in this years draft and like any other position just because the top guy at the position is already taken does not mean the everybody else at the position is going to be bad because he was the 2nd-5th player taken at the position.
I agree with that. I wasn't saying Fields, Wilson, or Lance are definitely going to be bad QBs. Just stating why I would take Mac Jones and Kyle Trask over those 3.
 

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It really does depend a lot on what team selects the QB and how the OC uses him.

For the Saints

Out of all these QBs?

Justin Fields by a wide margin.
 

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June Jones

Has Mac Jones as his #1 qb.

Trevor Lawrence as #3

Cites Deep accuracy (same concern I had)

2021 NFL draft: Trevor Lawrence, QB3? That's how one former NFL coach grades him


 

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You asked who could be better than Drew I just said Watson. Who knows we probably don't even entertain the idea and just roll with signing Winston. I just don't think Mac Jones will be the answer. We'll roll with whoever we got.

We're still in a win now mode there's no way we're drafting Jones thinking he'll get us to the SB.
i mean, who knows right? But there aren’t many rookies in the history of the NFL to even be successful as an NFL Rookie much less win a Super Bowl.

So I have no idea how anyone could be confident in ANY rookie coming in and taking over. Not to mention, I just saw a stat that NOT A SINGLE QB drafted between 09 to 16 is still with the team that drafted them. 😳

 
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Let's face it guys we won't win until we start getting younger in most of these vet positions. We can't afford to keep everyone but at least lets just break down the right way and put it all back together. SAINTS 4 LIFE!!! Winston will find another home else where and so will Taysom.
This isn't a rebuild roster it's a retool roster. This isn't a team that has time to grow with a rookie QB. It's built to insert a veteran and instantly make a playoff run.

The lagniappe of a late round QB (unless you are of the jump up a snag a QB thinking) means you are potentially going to wastea prime year of a bunch of 4th 5th and 6th year guys who are the nucleus of your team.

Can you imagine explaiing that to guys? Guys like a Demario Davis or a Cam Jordan that hey...were going to waste one of your years because we want to reset. Because essentially you are asking a rookie QB to come in and take your team to the SB but you're not asking it of a #1 pick or anything like that you're asking of a potential 2nd round QB who goes late in the 1st because of supply demand.

IDK...not with it. Nothing against your reasoning I just don't think this is the team/roster to do it with.
 

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i mean, who knows right? But there aren’t many rookies in the history of the NFL to even be successful as an NFL Rookie much less win a Super Bowl.

So I have no idea how anyone could be confident in ANY rookie coming in and taking over. Not to mention, I just saw a stat that NOT A SINGLE QB drafted between 09 to 16 is still with the team that drafted them. 😳


Read that again.

Rookie qb drafted in the FIRST round.
 

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I tell you what, I'm as confident in Mac Jones as any of these other rookie QBs who have come in in recent years to post 90 or better qb ratings.

Wilson, Herbert, Mariota, RG3, Prescott, Minshew, Rothlisberger etc.



We're not just talking about any old rookie qb here.

We are talking about the man with the best ever season by a college qb teaming with the best offensive mind in history.

I've seen what he can do with Kerry Collins and Tayson Hill.

I'll take my chances with Mac Jones.
 

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It sounds ridiculous because at first hearing It's like telling a team, "Hey, we are bringing in a 43 year old has-been at QB to attempt to win the superbowl!"

While at the same time neglecting to mention "Oh, by the way this guy is one of the best pocket passers ever!"

Context matters.


We're not talking about Garrett Grayson or Sean Canfield here.

We're talking specifically about Mac Jones, the greatest college Qb ever.
 

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