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I don’t know if I would go quite that far in making that assessment. NBA fans, or sports fans in general these days under the age of 30, don’t necessarily understand or can fully comprehend just how great, dominant and talented of a player and performer M.J. was from the late 80’s-early 90’s. I think he probably wins maybe 2-3, maybe even 4 NBA Titles without Pippen, but 6, it’s difficult for me seeing M.J. crossing that line if Scottie had gotten his wish in 1994 and had been traded by Jerry Krause.I've always been of the mindset that neither guy wins 6 titles without the other.
Right, I'm not saying neither guy would have won ANY championships without each other during the 90s, but I just don't think 6 would have happened if they weren't together. Not sure if either guy would be in a hurry to admit that right now, given whatever animosity may exist.I don’t know if I would go quite that far in making that assessment. NBA fans, or sports fans in general these days under the age of 30, don’t necessarily understand or can fully comprehend just how great, dominant and talented of a player and performer M.J. was from the late 80’s-early 90’s. I think he probably wins maybe 2-3, maybe even 4 NBA Titles without Pippen, but 6, it’s difficult for me seeing M.J. crossing that line if Scottie had gotten his wish in 1994 and had been traded by Jerry Krause.
Didnt Pippen's son die a few years ago like maybe a year after the Last Dance documentary aired? Maybe the collective stress, psychological, emotional pain and anguish mixed in with unfold, understandable grief has led him to lash out, criticize former teammates, coaches, friends, or just at life in general simply because he, Pippen, doesn't care or give two sheets what anyone thinks of his opinions anymore?Right, I'm not saying neither guy would have won ANY championships without each other during the 90s, but I just don't think 6 would have happened if they weren't together. Not sure if either guy would be in a hurry to admit that right now, given whatever animosity may exist.
Every great player needs a supporting cast to win titles; Jordan is no exception, but definitely, Jordan wins without Pippen, Pippen doesn't win without Jordan.I've always been of the mindset that neither guy wins 6 titles without the other.
Didnt Pippen's son die a few years ago like maybe a year after the Last Dance documentary aired? Maybe the collective stress, psychological, emotional pain and anguish mixed in with unfold, understandable grief has led him to lash out, criticize former teammates, coaches, friends, or just at life in general simply because he, Pippen, doesn't care or give two sheets what anyone thinks of his opinions anymore?
I'm not trying to trivialize or construct some over-simplification for why and what his motives could be here but I'm attempting to see this from a more human, moralistic perspective that suggests Pippen's currently in a lot of pain and grief, trying to absorb and make sense of the unthinkable for most human beings, and all of us here as parents, he's not "processing" the stages of grief he's gone through.
By way of being the best player in the NBA....yes, Jordan likely would have won a few rings. But without Pippen, I don't believe it ends up being 6, and I don't believe he would have gone whatever-and-0 in the Finals. Probably more like two or three rings, and a few Finals appearances that didn't result in a title. Of course, the main issue with playing the "what if?" game is that we don't know who Pippen's replacement would be in this alternate universe, or where Pippen himself is playing.Every great player needs a supporting cast to win titles; Jordan is no exception, but definitely, Jordan wins without Pippen, Pippen doesn't win without Jordan.
You can also make a good argument Dennis Rodman was just as valuable as Pippin in the last three championships.Every great player needs a supporting cast to win titles; Jordan is no exception, but definitely, Jordan wins without Pippen, Pippen doesn't win without Jordan.
Every great player needs a supporting cast to win titles; Jordan is no exception, but definitely, Jordan wins without Pippen, Pippen doesn't win without Jordan.
I'll go one further and say Rodman taking scoring chances away from opponents and giving the ball back to Jordan was more valuable than whatever Pippen did.You can also make a good argument Dennis Rodman was just as valuable as Pippin in the last three championships.
By way of being the best player in the NBA....yes, Jordan likely would have won a few rings. But without Pippen, I don't believe it ends up being 6, and I don't believe he would have gone whatever-and-0 in the Finals. Probably more like two or three rings, and a few Finals appearances that didn't result in a title. Of course, the main issue with playing the "what if?" game is that we don't know who Pippen's replacement would be in this alternate universe, or where Pippen himself is playing.
I'll go one further and say Rodman taking scoring chances away from opponents and giving the ball back to Jordan was more valuable than whatever Pippen did.
And speaking of Rodman, besides the rebounds, he also played nasty defense.
Why do you think that? What did you see in Pippen's game that warrants those statements?
Pippen was supporting cast. The only reason why we are speaking about Pippen today is because he stayed with the Bulls through the Bull's 6 championship runs, which in turn brought this whole "could've Jordan won without Pippen" thing. I am not saying he was a bad player, he was a good player, but he was definitely supporting cast, and definitely could've been someone else in Pippen's shoes during the Bull's 6 championships run.
...this ^^You can also make a good argument Dennis Rodman was just as valuable as Pippin in the last three championships.