Intresting info on Colston (1 Viewer)

[Dogpoundrus]

Wide receivers: 20-yard split
While the 40-yard dash is among the most effective measuring sticks, the 20-yard split on the 40 tells scouts how quickly a prospect can get to full speed, which is critical to gaining separation from defensive backs off the line of scrimmage. Marques Colston ran a pedestrian 4.55 in the 40 at last year's combine at nearly 6-foot-5 and 224 pounds, but his 20-yard split time (2.62 seconds) was among the best of the five receivers who ran. Considering his success as an NFL rookie maybe more stock should have been placed in his initial burst rather than his top-end speed.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/insider/columns/story?columnist=mcshay_todd&id=3259921

 

[Hit it]

Absolutely. Top speed (40-yard time) is overrated. How many times in a game do a receiver run 40-yard straight ahead anyway?
Acceleration is what matters. Acceleration makes you beat a cornerback in the first 5-10 yards, while topspeed makes you beat him 40 yards down the field.

 

[SaintSeb]

Absolutely. Top speed (40-yard time) is overrated. How many times in a game do a receiver run 40-yard straight ahead anyway?
Acceleration is what matters. Acceleration makes you beat a cornerback in the first 5-10 yards, while topspeed makes you beat him 40 yards down the field.

I dont think top speed is overrated, it just depends on the type of receiver. Look at what Moss does in a straight line (or in our case Devery, to some extent) against corners and tell me top speed isn't important. That extra step or two on a defender is all it takes

 

[LSSpam]

Wide receivers: 20-yard split
While the 40-yard dash is among the most effective measuring sticks, the 20-yard split on the 40 tells scouts how quickly a prospect can get to full speed, which is critical to gaining separation from defensive backs off the line of scrimmage. Marques Colston ran a pedestrian 4.55 in the 40 at last year's combine at nearly 6-foot-5 and 224 pounds, but his 20-yard split time (2.62 seconds) was among the best of the five receivers who ran. Considering his success as an NFL rookie maybe more stock should have been placed in his initial burst rather than his top-end speed.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/insider/columns/story?columnist=mcshay_todd&id=3259921

Typical ESPN Insider.

Forget his 20-yard split, his 10-yard split was the fastest of that year and one of the faster in the NFL.

If you're looking at WR's in this years draft, look for 10-yard splits under 1.5 seconds.

 

[pennstater]

Typical ESPN Insider.

Forget his 20-yard split, his 10-yard split was the fastest of that year and one of the faster in the NFL.

If you're looking at WR's in this years draft, look for 10-yard splits under 1.5 seconds.

Didn't know that. So how does a 6'4 reciever will great hands with the fastest 10 yard sprint drop to the end of the 7th round?

 

[LSSpam]

Didn't know that. So how does a 6'4 reciever will great hands with the fastest 10 yard sprint drop to the end of the 7th round?

Rumor was his coach at Hofstra dogged him to all of the NFL teams. Hard to believe, considering the Colston we know, but that was the buzz Combined with the fact that he didn't dominate at Hofstra like Randy Moss dominated at Marshall and his "suspect" top-end speed, etc. No one felt like rolling the dice...except us

 

[Saint James]

Rumor was his coach at Hofstra dogged him to all of the NFL teams. Hard to believe, considering the Colston we know, but that was the buzz Combined with the fact that he didn't dominate at Hofstra like Randy Moss dominated at Marshall and his "suspect" top-end speed, etc. No one felt like rolling the dice...except us

And thank God we did...easily top 10 WR in the league...possibly top 5.

 

[BoNcHiE]

And thank God we did...easily top 10 WR in the league...possibly top 5.

Hes also a great example of why you should never doubt that the later rounds can produce talent. I think people would trade away every pick after rounds 1-2 just because the perception is that nothing great ever comes from there.

 

[morals99]

I've been saying this for years. It doesn't just apply to WR, the 10 yard splits and even 5 yard splits are the best indicator for offensive skill positions. The most overrated position for the 40 is the RB position. Everyone always wonders why the slow guys (Emmitt Smith, Priest Holmes, etc.) have stellar careers. It's simple b/c they have burst to the hole then burst out of their cuts. When is the last time you saw a running back run 40 yards without cutting. WR's can prove the fly pattern, but other than that it's usually 10 yard cuts for WR. Same applies for line backers...I would say the most important 40 time is for corners b/c they need to have the ability to run with a receiver who may be able to turn up field quickly. Again however if your covering a Steve Smith (Quck cutter) or a Colston (big guy) speed isn't he most important thing. Corners probably have the widest skill set needs of any position on the field...well i'm getting off subject.

I just hope these 40 times throw some WR's and RB's into the top 10 so we can land a big time defender.

 

[mony_b22]

The reason why colston drop was simple.

In Hofstra, he was a TE he was projected as a TE that was a developmental player but all those things that make a wr, the saints saw and utilized it. If you got decent speed and great hands you can find a job in the league. Some teams saw him as a wr. Thats on top of the incident with the injury at Hofstra. He was a tweener player that we molded into what i consider a top 10 WR.

 

[Large Saints Fan]

Mony_b22. HE NEVER PLAYED TIGHT END EVER!

This is a misconception started by an idiot talent scout who "Projected" that he would be a TE in the NFL.
I repeat: HE NEVER HAS PLAYED TIGHT END!!

Thank you and sorry for the threadjack but that drives me nuts.

 

[ibelieve]

Mony_b22. HE NEVER PLAYED TIGHT END EVER!

This is a misconception started by an idiot talent scout who "Projected" that he would be a TE in the NFL.
I repeat: HE NEVER HAS PLAYED TIGHT END!!

Thank you and sorry for the threadjack but that drives me nuts.

I thank whoever did this. It helped me win 2 fantasy leagues that year.

 

[GermanSaint]

In Hofstra, he was a TE he was projected as a TE that was a developmental player but all those things that make a wr, the saints saw and utilized it. If you got decent speed and great hands you can find a job in the league. Some teams saw him as a wr. Thats on top of the incident with the injury at Hofstra. He was a tweener player that we molded into what i consider a top 10 WR.

he never was a TE

Mony_b22. HE NEVER PLAYED TIGHT END EVER!

This is a misconception started by an idiot talent scout who "Projected" that he would be a TE in the NFL.
I repeat: HE NEVER HAS PLAYED TIGHT END!!

Thank you and sorry for the threadjack but that drives me nuts.

+1

 

[Geldo]

I checked back through my bookmarks and draft notes and it looks like a few knowledgable scouts actually saw him as a rd 5-6 pick, but he was always seens as a prospect.

He had a reputation for drops so I guess raw prospect+poor 40 time+drops risk made him slide.

Their loss our gain

 

[daponch]

The 20 yard shuttle is also a pretty good indicator of a players explosiveness. Sudden speed burst rather than "built up" speed is what teams should be looking for especially with offensive players. I found it interesting that Matt Forte and Jacob Hester both are listed in the top 8 for the 20 yard shuttle at the combine. With Forte running a 4.46 40yard dash and a good shuttle will make him a pretty attractive prospect. And he isnt too bad with the pads on either.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/top-performers?campaign=ec0005