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Or is it just a fad?

I personally think its a keeper.

It doesnt need u to sub ur QB or have him flanked out wide while "specialist" handles the snap per the wildcat

It causes false steps through misdirection.

Forces guys to do wht weirdly not everyone in the NFL is capable of doing..getting off blocks.

These are the types of guys the college level is giving the NFL.


Anyhow thts just a few of my opinions



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Hard to say. I know NFL defenses will learn to adjust to it, but I don't know if they will actually ever stop it. I personally don't care for it as it starts to remind me of college ball - every play is some sort of a run with the occasional play action thrown in once the defense starts stacking 8 in the box. I hope someone is able to shut those teams down but I am afraid it is here to stay.
 

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I think its just a fad just like the Wildcat. They surprised people last year and you can bet they wont have that kind of success again next year.
 

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We really need more threads about this. Also, Ivory or Ingram? Can Bushrod play safety?


On the real, though. No. It won't last. Smack the RB and the QB every play. As soon as someone gets seriously injured, the gameplan changes.
 

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Or is it just a fad?

I personally think its a keeper.

It doesnt need u to sub ur QB or have him flanked out wide while "specialist" handles the snap per the wildcat

It causes false steps through misdirection.

Forces guys to do wht weirdly not everyone in the NFL is capable of doing..getting off blocks.

These are the types of guys the college level is giving the NFL.


Anyhow thts just a few of my opinions



Thoughts?

Not really.

Read option relies on 1) poor decisions by the defensive end and outside linebacker and 2) something of an athletic mismatch between the quarterback and the defense that doesn't allow them to recover when they hesitate on the handoff/fake handoff

It works in college, where the variance of talent is much more significant, even on good teams (very few teams have 11 elite athletes on defense at any one time, even SEC teams with 8 or 9 on the field don't have 8 or 9 seniors with NFL talent, but rather guys at varying stages of development) and where the players are younger and with less coaching.

It worked this past year in the NFL because it took teams by surprise.

But the coaches are going back to school. They'll be more prepared next year. And I'm not saying it'll disappear, it has it's place I think still as a change of pace, but no NFL team is going to be able to make it a heavy part of a successful offense I don't think. NFL players are too prepared, too fast, too good.


And there is the injury angle too.
 

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Its harder to find a RO QB than a drop back passer, because the RO only truly works with a legit thrower off the ball. The running ability needs to be there but is pointless without the ability to throw accurately with timing (see Joe Webb in the playoffs)

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To put it differently, if you're a team like the 49ers or Washington, you might want to run it 3 -5 times in a game just to make opposing defenses respect your respective pistol or shotgun sets a bit more, to change how they defend them at base. But you're not going to run 15-20 read option handoffs like you see at the college level by any team I don't think.


And, by the way, as a bit of a non-sequitor, I DO think the pistol formation will infiltrate the NFL and is here to stay.
 
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As soon as 7 blows out his knee, San Fran will mourn the loss of smith.


I agree but with their luxury of picks it wouldnt surprise me if they nabbed EJ Manuel
 
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Not really.

Read option relies on 1) poor decisions by the defensive end and outside linebacker and 2) something of an athletic mismatch between the quarterback and the defense that doesn't allow them to recover when they hesitate on the handoff/fake handoff

It works in college, where the variance of talent is much more significant, even on good teams (very few teams have 11 elite athletes on defense at any one time, even SEC teams with 8 or 9 on the field don't have 8 or 9 seniors with NFL talent, but rather guys at varying stages of development) and where the players are younger and with less coaching.

It worked this past year in the NFL because it took teams by surprise.

But the coaches are going back to school. They'll be more prepared next year. And I'm not saying it'll disappear, it has it's place I think still as a change of pace, but no NFL team is going to be able to make it a heavy part of a successful offense I don't think. NFL players are too prepared, too fast, too good.

And there is the injury angle too.


Good contrast.

It will be interesting to see how defenses adapt this year and how many...if any new teams will try to incorporate it into their offense. Also how the offenses react to the reaction. Once the wildcat was figured out it just disappeared...
 

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Good contrast.

It will be interesting to see how defenses adapt this year and how many...if any new teams will try to incorporate it into their offense. Also how the offenses react to the reaction. Once the wildcat was figured out it just disappeared...

They will have an answer. Its all about doing your job and actually ignoring your instincts

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Good contrast.

It will be interesting to see how defenses adapt this year and how many...if any new teams will try to incorporate it into their offense. Also how the offenses react to the reaction. Once the wildcat was figured out it just disappeared...

I don't think it'll "disappear" like the wildcat. The wildcat was conceptually stupid, the read option isn't, per-say, but it's like a step up above double reverses and flea flickers. You'll see it still with quarterbacks who can run it, because it can add to an offense, add to plays beyond the read/option itself. But I can't see any NFL offense being based off it like you see in college. It's just a wrinkle
 

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Superb off-season post.

The rule of NFL defenses ever the since the era of the Steeler dynasty has been to punish running QBs. Vick was supposed to change that dynamic, but after a few years, defenses beat his senseless.

The new RO scheme is trying to add a new dimension of complexity to the new pass happy offensive-favor rules. Maybe with the new rules it may work. But the 50 year-old rule of the NFL is to brutally punish running QBs, even if it takes a few years. There's some really good defensive coordinators who will be studying vast amounts of film this off-season. A few broken ribs and bells rung by defensive spies setup to do just that will change the confidence and health of those QBs - I think.
 

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I hope it is a fad. I want to watch traditional football, not footsy with the qb. either throw the damn ball or hand it off.
 

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Greg Cosell wrote a great article on the subject via Shutdown Corner. Cant seem to find a link though.

Edit: here it is

http://t.co/PDvlElDw
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To put it differently, if you're a team like the 49ers or Washington, you might want to run it 3 -5 times in a game just to make opposing defenses respect your respective pistol or shotgun sets a bit more, to change how they defend them at base. But you're not going to run 15-20 read option handoffs like you see at the college level by any team I don't think.


And, by the way, as a bit of a non-sequitor, I DO think the pistol formation will infiltrate the NFL and is here to stay.
This is what makes the system that the niners/skins run so dangerous. Lining the rb back behind the qb is an interesting twist. Its deeper than the option or the wildcat. The thing about it is that these guys can throw and it forces the D to remain honest the whole game. I agree that next year will be a better test because defenses will adapt, but the system itself is not a fad. Its not like Vick, who is an average passer at best. Colin and RGIII are the future I believe, because there just as dangerous with their arm. RGIII got injured on a scramble and not sliding fast enough, not a designed play. So I think the pistol and its read component are here to stay. my 2 cents.
 

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