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Coaching skill matters, Allen will probably get a 2nd season but its mistake. Look at Tennessee and the job Vrabel has done. His team was really injured last year as well.
Is There A Win Total That Saves DA’s Job? (1 Viewer)
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I think your initial points are good ones, I think Loomis and saints management is in charge of the medical staff and what he did with the Raiders is not as big a factor as some think it is….they were a terrible organization when he was there….
BUT - you can win with injuries, CSP proved that last year…
And while he didnt have Kamara fumble away a game it is clear to me (and others) that the Saints did not stress the fundamentals of ball security in the off season as they have done in the past….
Last many of the same players and turnovers were not a huge issue, this year they have directly led to losses….what has changed? The coaching staff shares the blame in turnover ratio….
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I think some of that is cyclical too. Turnovers and ball security is definitely a key part of every team's training camp. Some teams will be at or near the top of the league one season and near the bottom the next and no change in coaching. That's how it goes sometimes.
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When I have time I’ll try and do some research but I would be willing to bet over the last 5 years or so that the Saints have had a positive turnover ratio….until this year….
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Mike Vrabel is a true defensive mastermind. His defense has locked down 3 Hof QBs in 3 consecutive weeks.Coaching skill matters, Allen will probably get a 2nd season but its mistake. Look at Tennessee and the job Vrabel has done. His team was really injured last year as well.
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Head coaching record
| Total | 47 | 27 | 0 | .635 | 2 | 3 | .400 | |||
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| Won | Lost | Ties | Win % | Finish | Won | Lost | Win % | Result | ||
| Team | Year | Regular season | Postseason | |||||||
| TEN | 2018 | 9 | 7 | 0 | .563 | 3rd in AFC South | — | — | — | — |
| TEN | 2019 | 9 | 7 | 0 | .563 | 2nd in AFC South | 2 | 1 | .667 | Lost to Kansas City Chiefs in AFC Championship Game |
| TEN | 2020 | 11 | 5 | 0 | .688 | 1st in AFC South | 0 | 1 | .000 | Lost to Baltimore Ravens in AFC wild card game |
| TEN | 2021 | 12 | 5 | 0 | .706 | 1st in AFC South | 0 | 1 | .000 | Lost to Cincinnati Bengals in AFC Divisional Game |
| TEN | 2022 | 6 | 3 | 0 | .667 | — | — | — | — |
Head coaching record[edit]
| Total | 56 | 35 | 0 | .615 | 3 | 4 | .429 | |||
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| Won | Lost | Ties | Win % | Finish | Won | Lost | Win % | Result | ||
| Team | Year | Regular season | Postseason | |||||||
| BUF | 2017 | 9 | 7 | 0 | .563 | 2nd in AFC East | 0 | 1 | .000 | Lost to Jacksonville Jaguars in AFC Wild Card Game |
| BUF | 2018 | 6 | 10 | 0 | .375 | 3rd in AFC East | — | — | — | — |
| BUF | 2019 | 10 | 6 | 0 | .625 | 2nd in AFC East | 0 | 1 | .000 | Lost to Houston Texans in AFC Wild Card Game |
| BUF | 2020 | 13 | 3 | 0 | .813 | 1st in AFC East | 2 | 1 | .667 | Lost to Kansas City Chiefs in AFC Championship Game |
| BUF | 2021 | 11 | 6 | 0 | .647 | 1st in AFC East | 1 | 1 | .500 | Lost to Kansas City Chiefs in AFC Divisional Game |
| BUF | 2022 | 7 | 3 | 0 | .700 | TBD in AFC East | — | — | — | — |
Head coaching record[edit]
| Total | 18 | 9 | 0 | .667 | 0 | 1 | .000 | |||
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| Won | Lost | Ties | Win % | Finish | Won | Lost | Win % | Result | ||
| Team | Year | Regular season | Postseason | |||||||
| PHI | 2021 | 9 | 8 | 0 | .529 | 2nd in NFC East | 0 | 1 | .000 | Lost to Tampa Bay Buccaneers in NFC Wild Card Game |
| PHI | 2022 | 9 | 1 | 0 | .900 | TBD | – | – | .000 | – |
These are all relatively new coaches, and none started with a losing record.
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There are 6 games left. A lot of starters coming back and a bye week. We have 4 wins so far.
If he can get 4-5 more wins I see no issue with him returning back next year. If he wins only 3 more games I believe we should move on. Too much talent on this team to win only 7 games.
We need a quarterback and if he can't win 4-5 more games we will also need a head coach.
If he can get 4-5 more wins I see no issue with him returning back next year. If he wins only 3 more games I believe we should move on. Too much talent on this team to win only 7 games.
We need a quarterback and if he can't win 4-5 more games we will also need a head coach.
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Eh, that's just cherry picking. All of them took a year or a few years to really gel and become solid contenders. The front office for those teams have stuck with them through some ups and downs. Proof that sometimes patience and playing to long game is a good thing.
Every situation is unique and front offices have to make decisions about whether their organization is headed in the right direction over the long haul. 10 games into the first season of a new coach isn't a time to panic.
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And, statistically, that's got to end. It's often just the bounce of the ball and look how it worked for us in 09 with Sharper leading the all time INT numbers.
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