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This isn't another hair on fire Payton thread calling him a bum who should be run out of town. Payton is the best coach we've ever had and I don't think half of the issues we have this year are directly his fault. So if you want to bash him, take it to one of the other all caps, screaming threads.
But, after thinking about it, I just don't think Payton and most of his staff are the right way forward.
No, you don't fire him. You don't shame him. You don't do anything until the season is over. He deserves that much from us. He's not even 1 year into a 5 year extension so the only way anything could happen is if we deal directly with another team to take him on (almost like a trade but probably with no compensation to us).
Payton would likely go to another team and have success, but you can't quantify that with him being here. Coaches and teams just grow stale eventually and no matter what you do, more often then not historically, things do not rebound. There are exceptions, but they are far and few between
Stepping into the unknown is scary. There's no guarantee we won't suck for the next 30 years, but at some point you have to take the chance. I'd hope that Brees would be willing to give it a few more years under new leadership and coaching. Peyton M. was willing to do that and it paid dividends.
I do think you can keep most of the offensive staff. Pete, the WR coach, and I think the OL coach has proven his worth big time given what he's had to work with. Doing so might be enough to keep Brees around until he retires and it'd be worth it.
I would not make Pete Carmichael HC though. We need a fresh voice in here and likely a defensive specialist.
Doing this wouldn't constitute starting over the rebuild we've already started. We'll still have good talent next season (assuming they aren't all injured again). We'll still have a big chunk of cap space. Even with a new coach, I think we could compete for the playoffs next year if we make the right moves. The other thing is, if you wait until Brees retires and this team has gone further downhill, the job itself will be much less alluring and we'd likely not end up with our choice of coaches.
I honestly thought about not hitting submit on this after typing it up, but I don't feel I'm being over emotional or the like. Taking everything into account, I think this is the right move to get us back to competing sooner rather then later. Or it could totally blow up in our face, but what we've done the last three years isn't working, so I'm ready to take the chance.
But, after thinking about it, I just don't think Payton and most of his staff are the right way forward.
No, you don't fire him. You don't shame him. You don't do anything until the season is over. He deserves that much from us. He's not even 1 year into a 5 year extension so the only way anything could happen is if we deal directly with another team to take him on (almost like a trade but probably with no compensation to us).
Payton would likely go to another team and have success, but you can't quantify that with him being here. Coaches and teams just grow stale eventually and no matter what you do, more often then not historically, things do not rebound. There are exceptions, but they are far and few between
Stepping into the unknown is scary. There's no guarantee we won't suck for the next 30 years, but at some point you have to take the chance. I'd hope that Brees would be willing to give it a few more years under new leadership and coaching. Peyton M. was willing to do that and it paid dividends.
I do think you can keep most of the offensive staff. Pete, the WR coach, and I think the OL coach has proven his worth big time given what he's had to work with. Doing so might be enough to keep Brees around until he retires and it'd be worth it.
I would not make Pete Carmichael HC though. We need a fresh voice in here and likely a defensive specialist.
Doing this wouldn't constitute starting over the rebuild we've already started. We'll still have good talent next season (assuming they aren't all injured again). We'll still have a big chunk of cap space. Even with a new coach, I think we could compete for the playoffs next year if we make the right moves. The other thing is, if you wait until Brees retires and this team has gone further downhill, the job itself will be much less alluring and we'd likely not end up with our choice of coaches.
I honestly thought about not hitting submit on this after typing it up, but I don't feel I'm being over emotional or the like. Taking everything into account, I think this is the right move to get us back to competing sooner rather then later. Or it could totally blow up in our face, but what we've done the last three years isn't working, so I'm ready to take the chance.