Jimmy Carter Enters Hospice Care at Home {Edit: Rosalynn Carter has passed (11/19/2023)} (1 Viewer)

[Saintman2884]

Yeah, he never let his Presidency define him. Always respected the man regardless of his politics.

He had over 40+ years to help him in that regard, whereas Eisenhower was dead within a decade after he left office, LBJ died just 4 years leaving and both Nixon and Reagan died within 15-20 years after leaving office. As an ex-President, he could do a lot more to control the narrative, like becoming a philanthropist, engaging in human rights issues, founding the Carter Center, a democracy-watchdog group that focuses on monitoring elections worldwide. Those are exploits or challenges that do convey or involve a little bit of risk, but its more managable if something along the way like a corrupt, philandering executive (Habitat for Humanity) behaves incompetently or immorally.

Thats not to say Carter didnt or hasn't done a lot of great, humanitarian things after leaving office in 1981, he's done a whole lifetime's worth but it's a long road where he and his associates could better control the outcome then the dark, dirty, vicious world of partisan power politics where being a good, decent human being and preaching human rights and civility doesn't necessarily bring you a lot of success or progress and any success you have depends on outside, often unknown variables you haven't completely factored into the equation.

 

[soupcan dan]

you're waiting to press send aintcha?

 

[nolaspe]

Looks like the end is near. This planet is about to lose an exemplary human being and will be worse off because of it...

 

[Cage1]

Scooby Doo can doo doo, but Jimmy Carter is smarter.

 

[DaveXA]

Looks like the end is near. This planet is about to lose an exemplary human being and will be worse off because of it...

Lasted a lot longer than I expected. Just a great human being.

 

[Madmarsha]

Lasted a lot longer than I expected. Just a great human being.

He's still not dead yet. The reports of his death have been greatly exaggerated.

 

[ktulu909]

Tom Petty?

 

[GrandAdmiral]

Really, dude?

 

[Saintman2884]

Really, dude?

Sometimes, great human beings don't have good careers in office or their not good politicians, but I edited it down so it wouldn't upset your sensibilities too much. Herbert Hoover was a solid, upstanding human being, philanthropist, organized international famine relief to millions of starving Russians during the deadly, widespread famines that ravaged Soviet Union in the early 1920's, but he wasnt a good President.

Like I said, he was a very good person at a difficult, testy, bitter period in American history to be President and their were too many problems that he wasn't able to fix. Doesn't make him a bad person nor I am really judging him or condemning him. He did far more good in this world to try to make it a better, more tolerant place then any mistakes he made and thankfully, most people today judge him for his great work he did for 40 years after his Presidency ended.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

A great human being, superb philanthropist, creator and organizer of Habitat for Humanity, and Carter Center but not a successful, good President, especially as it relates to foreign affairs and crises like the Iranian hostage crisis from 1979-81, economic stagflation getting worse under his tenure.

He inherited far too many complex, pre-existing problems, a few of which he made worse or werent fixed until later after he left office, that he just wasnt able to improve or solve. I think he mightve had a better, more successful presidency if his term had occurred around the same time as Clinton, in the more peaceful, stable world of the 1990's. Good guy, wrong time. As I said about 6-7 months ago, he could control the narrative far better as a philanthropist, human rights campaigner then making calculated decisions on serious issues that aren't under your complete control or can blow up, or unintentionally made worse by factors you couldn't foresee.

so you'd have gone with Ted Kennedy?

 

[Saintman2884]

so you'd have gone with Ted Kennedy?

Carter was the Democrats best shot in 1980 plus he was the incumbent, so he had the momentum and advantage their, too. Plus, and most people aren't aware of this today as they should but about one week until Election Day, 1980, Reagan and Carter were polling pretty close and his popularity level improved. This information came from one of Carter's biographers, BTW. Despite his flaws, Carter's presidency would still be better and more preferable to Ted Kennedy ever being in the White House

Ted Kennedy had issues. Serious issues, both character-wise and politically. Most Americans believed he never told the real truth about what happened in 1969 at Chappaquidick with former RFK aide, Mary Joe Kapeknik, he had a disastrous 60 Minutes interview with Roger Mudd where he contradicted himself so many times Mudd, at one point, accused him outright of lying. He wasnt a particularly likable person and he totally lacked the charm, charisma, and personality of his brothers, JFK and RFK. I think after Chappaquidick, and increasingly moreso in the years that followed, most Democratic pollsters, voters, and analysts saw him as an effective senior-level Senator, but not Presidential material.

 

[2009ring]

Wife and I were just talking about this the other day. This man deserves whatever heavenly rewards await him.

Cannot believe the guy who got elected president when I was a wee toddler is still alive today, what a world.

 

[GrandAdmiral]

Sometimes, great human beings don't have good careers in office or their not good politicians, but I edited it down so it wouldn't upset your sensibilities too much. Herbert Hoover was a solid, upstanding human being, philanthropist, organized international famine relief to millions of starving Russians during the deadly, widespread famines that ravaged Soviet Union in the early 1920's, but he wasnt a good President.

Like I said, he was a very good person at a difficult, testy, bitter period in American history to be President and their were too many problems that he wasn't able to fix. Doesn't make him a bad person nor I am really judging him or condemning him. He did far more good in this world to try to make it a better, more tolerant place then any mistakes he made and thankfully, most people today judge him for his great work he did for 40 years after his Presidency ended.

Who fricking cares? The man is dying. No one asked you for a history lesson, especially if parts of it are wrong/politically-driven. That is not the purpose for me starting this a year ago. You want to do that, start another thread, preferably on MAP.

 

[Saintman2884]

Who fricking cares? The man is dying. No one asked you for a history lesson, especially if parts of it are wrong/politically-driven. That is not the purpose for me starting this a year ago. You want to do that, start another thread, preferably on MAP.

Some people on this thread made political comments/observations on this thread over a year ago/6-7 months ago and later and no one, including you, batted an eye or criticized them. And essentially, most of what they said is what I'm been saying now. Just food for thought. That still doesn't mean he wasnt a great person, humanitarian, philanthropist, dedicated human rights campaigner in establishing the Carter Center, and working with Habitat for Humanity to build sustainable, quality homes for struggling, low-income families or in disaster-ravaged areas after Hurricane Katrina.

President Jimmy Carter will rightfully, be remembered as a great man by historians and Americans.

 

[Goatman Saint]

Carter may have been a middle of the road president, but as a person hard pressed to find one better. I have great admiration and respect for former President Carter. When he passes, the world will lose a tremendous person.