Job situation update (1 Viewer)

[DaveXA]

So...I'm back on my computer. Managed to swap the power supply from another old Mac I don't use. They're a year apart, but it seems like the hard drives are compatible. Yeah, I know, that's not how you determine compatibility. Hopefully this one holds up for at least a few weeks so I can start working then look at getting a new or refurbished one. I might just go the pc route because they're easier to upgrade and repair.

Time to prep for the career fair tomorrow and then the real interview Monday. I'm nervous, gah!

 

[DadsDream]

In an either/or neither/nor sentence, the verb takes the number of the last noun in the sequence.

Either the boy or his friends are going.
Either his friends or the boy is going.

Neither the girl nor the cats were there.
Neither the cats nor the girl was there.

Relax, man. You've got this!

 

[DaveXA]

In an either/or neither/nor sentence, the verb takes the number of the last noun in the sequence.

Either the boy or his friends are going.
Either his friends or the boy is going.

Neither the girl nor the cats were there.
Neither the cats nor the girl was there.

Relax, man. You've got this!

Lol, I used to always use plural in both cases. But I guess it makes sense. English is weird.

 

[sonicboom]

I just finished the interview. Had to use the phone relay app. It sucks, but it worked well enough to get me a follow up interview with the hiring manager on Monday. Looks like they're trying to get this done quick. Who knows, they might start me next week at this rate. But I'm getting ahead of myself lol. Let's see how it goes Monday.

As for the imac, I'm about to pull 2 of them apart and swap the power supply, meh. Hope I don't make it worse, .

Good luck with the computers!! There is this old folklore that came about in the early 2000's ,that (Ijustcompletelymadeuprightnowthat) goes.....Computers can't be fixed, they were made broken. Joking aside, I truly hope you find work soon. Ahhhhh life, and it's random screw balls that come our way.

 

[zeetes]

i have a 2010 hp laptop i only use for linux and porn. i’d be more than happy to offer for a good cause.

 

[DaveXA]

i have a 2010 hp laptop i only use for linux and porn. i’d be more than happy to offer for a good cause.

Lol, thanks for the offer. I got the power supply moved from an old iMac to the one that croaked on me, running good so far. If it gets me through this week, I might be in good shape by then.

Phone interview Monday morning. I suspect they will do a face to face cuz I don't see them hiring me sight unseen. Especially for a supervisory position. We'll see. Apparently, the recruiter liked me enough that 30 minutes after the preliminary interview, she gave me the details on the follow up appointment with the hiring manager. They ain't wasting time. Cautiously optimistic.

 

[zeetes]

Lol, thanks for the offer. I got the power supply moved from an old iMac to the one that croaked on me, running good so far. If it gets me through this week, I might be in good shape by then.

Phone interview Monday morning. I suspect they will do a face to face cuz I don't see them hiring me sight unseen. Especially for a supervisory position. We'll see. Apparently, the recruiter liked me enough that 30 minutes after the preliminary interview, she gave me the details on the follow up appointment with the hiring manager. They ain't wasting time. Cautiously optimistic.

face to face are awkward for both parties. remember this

depending on how they interview, if there is a follow up with an in-person, you have all but sealed the deal.

this interview is mostly that they are looking for personality and fit. most companies don’t have you go through a recruiter, pass a remote interview, and have you to go on to an in-person if it is at all or can be a waste of their time.

 

[DaveXA]

face to face are awkward for both parties. remember this

depending on how they interview, if there is a follow up with an in-person, you have all but sealed the deal.

this interview is mostly that they are looking for personality and fit. most companies don’t have you go through a recruiter, pass a remote interview, and have you to go on to an in-person if it is at all or can be a waste of their time.

Appreciate the tips. So, hopefully, I make that good impression on Monday.

 

[DaveXA]

Just a thought, the hiring manager asked me what my expected salary range is, and I said x to x and I'm negotiable. But I don't know if that's a good response tbh. Having been out of work 5 months, I'm ready to take any amount. Anyway, after I gave her the range, she quickly said that's good. Sounds to me like I didn't ask for enough, lol.

I do wonder what salary they will offer me, or if they will ask me first. It wasn't listed in the job announcement and I'm just unsure of what the best approach is. Should I ask for a specific amount and negotiate from that point or mention a range? Thoughts?

 

[DadsDream]

If you given them an X to Y range, be prepared to be offered X.

Do your research. Go to www.glassdoor.com , click on the Salaries tab and plug in the job title. There are dropdown selections to let you tailor your query by company size, years experience, location, etc. It also has a section for Open Jobs with that job title. There's a sliding graph scale for the averages nationally. It's a good tool.

Next, go to Google , type in the company name, job title and the words Pay Average.
Hey, there's a site called Career Bliss www.careerbliss.com that has average salaries based on previous employee info and location.

Look at that! Hmmmm. Very interesting. Seriously, follow the instructions I just gave and you'll see what I mean.

 

[DaveXA]

If you given them an X to Y range, be prepared to be offered X.

Do your research. Go to www.glassdoor.com , click on the Salaries tab and plug in the job title. There are dropdown selections to let you tailor your query by company size, years experience, location, etc. It also has a section for Open Jobs with that job title. There's a sliding graph scale for the averages nationally. It's a good tool.

Next, go to Google , type in the company name, job title and the words Pay Average.
Hey, there's a site called Career Bliss that has average salaries based on previous employee info and location.
Look at that. Hmmmm. Very interesting. Seriously, follow the instructions I just gave and you'll see what I mean.

Thanks! So, if they do say x, and it's really a lowball offer compared to what's out there, should I counter with the research I found, or just ask for a higher salary? Whatever I do, I just don't want to scare em off, lol.

 

[zatsnzapps]

I do wonder what salary they will offer me, or if they will ask me first. It wasn't listed in the job announcement and I'm just unsure of what the best approach is. Should I ask for a specific amount and negotiate from that point or mention a range? Thoughts?

Rule #1a - never be the one to throw out the first number. Make them do it and negotiate from there.
Rule #1b - never discuss your salary history.
Rule #1c - know the going market rate for your position.
Rule #1d - remember to think in terms of the full compensation package and not just salary.

If they bring up salary again and want you to throw out a number, first try to steer the conversation back to what you will bring to the organization and that you're certain a fair salary can be agreed to once you've both agreed to a mutual fit. If they still press you for a salary, then I'd recommend going in with a range at the higher end of what you're looking to get. That will give you a little room to "give in" and negotiate down and still get what you want.

 

[DadsDream]

Thanks! So, if they do say x, and it's really a lowball offer compared to what's out there, should I counter with the research I found, or just ask for a higher salary? Whatever I do, I just don't want to scare em off, lol.

The Zat man is wise! Here's my suggestions:
Smile, lean forward ever so slightly, maintain eye contact, tilt your head down just a touch and ask:
"Is there any wiggle room on that?"
"Do you anticipate opportunities for enhancement, pay for performance, profit sharing?"
"Is there a clear career path with this position?"
Be yourself. Just pretend you're chatting with me here on SR.com.
Oh, be prepared to say what your goals are for the next 3 to 5 years.

 

[zeetes]

Just a thought, the hiring manager asked me what my expected salary range is, and I said x to x and I'm negotiable. But I don't know if that's a good response tbh. Having been out of work 5 months, I'm ready to take any amount. Anyway, after I gave her the range, she quickly said that's good. Sounds to me like I didn't ask for enough, lol.

I do wonder what salary they will offer me, or if they will ask me first. It wasn't listed in the job announcement and I'm just unsure of what the best approach is. Should I ask for a specific amount and negotiate from that point or mention a range? Thoughts?

ok, this is the hardest question of all.

it is very hard to give a number on the spot. there isn’t a whole lot of advice to be given other than to research where the company is located, and their salaries to disgruntled employees. it sucks, but even with an industry standard, every company has their own price on what a position is worth to them. if you are able to show you can help the company profit, that is always a plus (up front, taken advantage otherwise).

 

[DaveXA]

Rule #1a - never be the one to throw out the first number. Make them do it and negotiate from there.
Rule #1b - never discuss your salary history.
Rule #1c - know the going market rate for your position.
Rule #1d - remember to think in terms of the full compensation package and not just salary.

If they bring up salary again and want you to throw out a number, first try to steer the conversation back to what you will bring to the organization and that you're certain a fair salary can be agreed to once you've both agreed to a mutual fit. If they still press you for a salary, then I'd recommend going in with a range at the higher end of what you're looking to get. That will give you a little room to "give in" and negotiate down and still get what you want.

1a - Good point, I made the mistake of throwing out the figures without having done my homework, hopefully I'll have another chance to make a case Monday. Will try to get them to throw out the first number next time.

1b - That's a problem because with federal resumes, they require salary history in the resume. I sent them my federal resume, so they already have that. Even if that wasn't the case, I might have told them my salary for my previous position which was in a lot of ways, similar to this one.

1c - I done some preliminary research, but I've noticed tech writing can vary widely when it comes to compensation. It seems some put a premium on it, while for others, it's a bit of an afterthought.

1d - Agreed, although it's a little difficult to compare since I don't have all of the details yet regarding benefits. I'll definitely ask that before it's all said and done.