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I had this debate in my head yesterday and for the first time ever I can't decide. I kept going back and forth. Speaking objectively, who would you take? No question Joe has a great year. Numbers don't lie. He seems to be NFL ready due to the fact he benefited from having Joe Brady. Burrow has a quick release, great touch on the ball, and pocket awareness. But you can't deny Lawrence is real good himself. He destroyed Alabama last year as a freshman. He came up big this year in the playoffs. And in the first quarter, I thought he played better than Burrow. He is the type of quarterback that at any given moment he will win it for you. Both players are tall. Lawrence seems to have a stronger arms but not as accurate as Burrow. Given Burrow now and Lawrence next year with experience, who would you take now? To me I just can't decide.
 

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There’s so much wrong with this post. LSU is as talented as anyone in the country when it comes to the skilled positions. Easily top 3 for sure.
Based on what? This year....just looked for a post from you saying this before this year and could not find one. If you can please let me know.
 

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Based on what? This year....just looked for a post from you saying this before this year and could not find one. If you can please let me know.
Based on all the players that were drafted in the last 10-15 years. LSU has always recruited well. The results this past season were based on a combination of things. But LSU never lacked talent. That’s ridiculous.
 

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Well this is true. Kirk said last night they use the Saints passing game. They use the same routes, progressions, match up based reads and alignments. He said that has never been done before in college as it pertains to the whole passing game. Plays from the NFL sure, Complete play book, no.

When they gave Joe the new playbook, he said Joe looked at it and was through page 14 and not one play was like anything from last year. He also said the reason coaches don’t do that is because it’s too complex.

This is my opinion only.
I think Joe was able to unleash an NFL passing Game on college defenses for three reasons. First, He is much smarter than most. He is very intelligent. Second, since he already graduated, he was able to do NFL caliber preparation. He could live, eat and sleep with that playbook. Finally, the most underrated part, Brady brought over Payton’s passing game concepts. Whatever anyone else thinks of Payton, he created the most innovative and flexible passing game the NFL has seen since Bill Walsh introduced the West Coast Offense. Since 2006 no team has had the consistent year to year production from the passing game the saints have had. Truth be told it’s not even close even if you look at the Patriots. Again, passing game only.
And the way Jeaux pulls down the ball and runs Just Like Drew is uncanny!

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You haven't watched Lawrence play much then. He has a golden arm. No one cares about his running ability. He had an nfl arm in high school. He lost his first game last night for his career and you say he gets flustered. Basically your whole post is BS.
Your post is also BS

Jeff George, Jamarcus Russell, and many more had a GOLDEN arms. How did they do?

No where did I say Trevor was a bad QB, but he had more highly regarded talent around him. Yet you say you want to see what he could If he had the playmakers has. Does that make sense to you? Did you ever think for one moment that maybe Joe helped make the players around him better.

Not one person in the country would agree with you before the season that Joe had superior talent around him when compared to Clemson. Not ONE
 

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Based on all the players that were drafted in the last 10-15 years. LSU has always recruited well. The results this past season were based on a combination of things. But LSU never lacked talent. That’s ridiculous.
Did not say they lacked talent. You stated very clearly that Joe’s performance was because of the superior talent he had around him. My question is why did everyone say Clemson had the superior talent before the season started. Could it be because Joe made the players better?
 

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Your post is also BS

Jeff George, Jamarcus Russell, and many more had a GOLDEN arms. How did they do?

No where did I say Trevor was a bad QB, but he had more highly regarded talent around him. Yet you say you want to see what he could If he had the playmakers has. Does that make sense to you? Did you ever think for one moment that maybe Joe helped make the players around him better.

Not one person in the country would agree with you before the season that Joe had superior talent around him when compared to Clemson. Not ONE
Did they win 25 straight starts to begin their career? You know nothing about the game. NOTHING.

Where did I say anything about the talent around him? I did not say one word. Clemson has plenty of talent.
 

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Did not say they lacked talent. You stated very clearly that Joe’s performance was because of the superior talent he had around him. My question is why did everyone say Clemson had the superior talent before the season started. Could it be because Joe made the players better?
You’re putting words in my mouth now. I never said such things. I simply said LSU is easily top 3 in terms of skilled players. I also said their success with due to a combination of things. It’s not complicated.
 

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Ok so out of last nights matchup who would


I know this is too early for this and he does walk on water.

I think Joe is so rare this year because he graduated and is product of a system he was allowed to study like no other QB at that level.

It is like having a player getting NFL prepared to play in the NCAA. A major advantage.

Don't get me wrong I really like the guy but I don't see the greatness at the next level without a much similar cast and great coaching.
You are so correct. I said the same thing and another post that Joe had the ability to study the playbook and get familiar with it because he had already graduated. That helped him tremendously no doubt but you still have to have the intelligence and play making ability to execute it which he obviously has.

My thing is people put too much stock in a quarterback who has a strong arm or is tall, fast, can scramble. While all these things are very important the most important trait a quarterback can have is being able to consistently face pressure and not be phased by it, and still be accurate. If you can’t do this you’re not making it at the next level
 

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Based on all the players that were drafted in the last 10-15 years. LSU has always recruited well. The results this past season were based on a combination of things. But LSU never lacked talent. That’s ridiculous.
Exactly. LSU has the most pros of any college. They always have talent and I say good for them.
 

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Did they win 25 straight starts to begin their career. You know nothing about the game. NOTHING.

Where did I say anything ab out the talent around him? I did not say one word. Clemson has plenty of talent.
You said Joe had an embarrassment of riches.

You said Trever won with less talent around him.

Is this correct?
 

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You said Joe had an embarrassment of riches.

You said Trever won with less talent around him.

Is this correct?
No it isn't. You must be talking about someone else. I know Clemson has great talent also. I would take Joe right now too but I don't think someone needs to put down Trevor to do it. Both have great futures ahead of them.
 

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You’re putting words in my mouth now. I never said such things. I simply said LSU is easily top 3 in terms of skilled players. I also said their success with due to a combination of things. It’s not complicated.
I Guess our big disagreement here is that I believe LSU has good talent, but going into the season based on last year, and everything that I’ve read and seen, I would have taken the talent on Clemson over the talent on LSU on the offensive side of the ball. Clemson had two receivers and a running back ranked in the top 100 LSU did not. I’m not a professional talent evaluator so I have to look at what’s going on on the field the results and also rely on the so-called experts to help me gage a teams talent base going into a season.

If you were able to see through the mediocre offense of output last year and see greatness in these three receivers then you’re obviously a much better talent evaluator than I am. Good for you.

I believe a good portion of what you saw from the offense of play makers on LSU this year is a result of Joe being that good versus a result of Joe being good because his playmakers were that good.
 

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No it isn't. You must be talking about someone else. I know Clemson has great talent also. I would take Joe right now too but I don't think someone needs to put down Trevor to do it. Both have great futures ahead of them.
And you are correct it is the moose who said what I am saying you said so I don’t know how I quoted the wrong person but I apologize.
 

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There’s so much wrong with this post. LSU is as talented as anyone in the country when it comes to the skilled positions. Easily top 3 for sure.
I saw this post and mixed it up with another. You are totally correct in the fact that LSU is easily top three maybe the best in the country in terms of skill position players on offense and usually defense year in and year out.

Now going into the season I didn’t think that and maybe it’s wrong of me because all I did was look at the production they had, how it seemed as though we could not produce a competent passing attack in anyway, and undervalued our skill players.

Since I’m not a professional talent evaluator, or even someone who know what to look for when watching individual players other than height, weight, speed, and the obvious things you look for, I took that information along with the information that I’ve read and used that to conclude that going into the season Clemson had better skill people, that obviously turned out to be incorrect.

Was it because Joe made them that much better, the scheme, or a combination, I don’t know. My personal belief is it’s a combination with Joe’s play being the biggest contribution. Obviously the system puts them in a position to be able to make plays but the players have to execute.
 

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Definitely Burrow, he is running an NFL passing offense at a level unprecedented in college.

Lawrence is that kind of guy who is a good leader, a good athlete, and a good passer - that's great in the ACC, but we see lots of guys with that skill-set be mediocre in the NFL.
His predecessor at Clemson is doing pretty well in the NFL.
 

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