Just how bad have the Saints special teams units been you ask? (1 Viewer)

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- The 2016 Saints rank 31st in kick return average. The Saints have returned one kickoff past the 30-yard line for the ENTIRE 2016 season. ONE.

- The Saints of course rank 32nd in blocked field goals. Remember the fun times last year when all we worried about on field goals was if whoever the Saints kicker was would miss the kick? Good times. I long for the days of just watching the Saints miss a 40yard field goal and not have to worry about the equivalent of a plane crash every week when the Saints are trying to acquire three points.

- The Saints rank 28th in field goals made percentage, which is pretty terrible considering they will play in a dome stadium 10 times this year.

- The Saints also rank 24th in kickoff coverage this year and have never been better than 23rd since 2007. Let that sink in. The Saints in the last decade haven't been able to even get in the top half of NFL coverage units on kickoffs even one time. Even the Saints defense, which has been an ongoing disaster, managed to have the gloriously random 2013 season when they finished fourth. The Saints special teams are so bad they can't even stumble into mediocrity for a minute by accident.
Forecast: You may not realize just how bad the Saints special teams have been | wwltv.com
 

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McMahon must have pictures or something. He knows where the bodies are buried.
 

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Every pre-season we would have a thread about how horrible special teams coverage looked, and people would come in here saying they just need time to gel because its pre-season and these are players on the edge of making a roster, and then I would post a table showing how we've ranked in the bottom of the league every single year in almost every ST metric

But I decided to just give up on it, because after the 3rd or 4th year in a row posting a new updated table showing no change, it got too depressing knowing we hadnt fired McMahon so nothing would improve.
 

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And all this, despite the blessing for most of these years of having one of the league's most consistent, accurate, big-legged punters in Thomas Morstead. Imagine.

BTW, that's a very nice, semi-revisionist, wholly accurate tribute to Aaron Brooks in the same Ralph Malbrough column.
 

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Its bad enough that we brought in a coach to coach our coach. Joe Vitt and Bill Johnson are loving them some Greg McMahon, he is acting as a bullet sponge.
 

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If McMahon can't be fired, then he should be promoted. Whatever it takes to get him out of the way.
 

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this entire organization is corrupt. just a bunch of has beens on our coaching staff that should have been gone years ago, and the alleged solution is to keep hiring people and not firing anyone. we're paying 8 million to our head coach for what appears to be a 3rd losing season in a row, and yet he's still burning our owner by making him fork out for more coaches instead of replacing his friends. no GM or president to put this in check because they're also all in on taking advantage of benson's state of mind. sad state of affairs and a shame no one there with the team's best interests in mind to intervene.
 

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Its bad enough that we brought in a coach to coach our coach. Joe Vitt and Bill Johnson are loving them some Greg McMahon, he is acting as a bullet sponge.
Wasn't W,. Smith supposed to be a D line coach
 

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That's what happens when you hire one of your best friends and refuse to fire him on account of that friendship.
 

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No, he doesn't.

McMahaon? Sure. Payton? I've got more faith in him than anyone sitting on their couch waiting for some random desperate team to call.
I'm all for keeping Sean for as long as we can. But seriously, if you are going to be the highest paid head coach, you have to be able to look in the mirror and correct trends. You can't keep friends on the staff who have no business coaching special teams in the NFL.

I know Joe Vitt did him a solid when he got caught with his hand in the pill jar, but dammit, hire a real LB coach, and not someone who doesn't mind being an assistant to Vitt, but rather, someone who is known for evaluating and spotting talent and developing LB's-- a LB guru with a solid track record who not only can teach and maximize the potential of the players he works with, but also will work with whoever the DC is and have the LB's in the right place at all times, in the best position to succeed.

Want to see what that looks like? Take a look at Aaron Glenn, at what he has done with what he's had to work with. Those guys might get some flags, but they're always in the right position and are never misused, like Malcolm Jenkins was before going to Philli.

Or Curtis Johnson before leaving for Tulane - the development and maximized potential he got out of WR's from the previous staff and all the late round / UDFA WR's during his tenure.

Or Kromer and Marrone and the development on the offensive line when they were here.

Highest paid head coach should 1) hold his staff accountable and 2) cross train his staff from the Scouts to QC coaches to position coaches so that when a Curtis Johnson leaves, his philosophy and system for spotting and developing is ingrained in both the scouts who now know what to look for and the coach or assistant coach who may fill his position, so that the production doesn't dip. See Bill Belichick for a great example of this.

Payton has given Joe Vitt, Bill Johnson, and Greg McMahon way too many passes. Yes, I know we are getting pressure now that we have Rankins, but lets be honest, Cam Jordan, Nick Fairley, and Sheldon Rankins were pretty damn polished already. The inability to get consistent pressure with the front four has been an issue for years, and you've not seen Bill develop great talent along the D-line, and both he and Vitt have been here for the last 4 defensive cooridinators (while Vitt and McMahon have been here from day 1 in Payton era).

For all the Carl Nicks, Jhari Evans, Zack Strief, Pierre Thomas and ___ at RB, ___ dollar tree bargain bin WR, and development of UDFA and late round gems on the offensive side of the ball, under Payton's tenure, and more specifically under Vitt and Johnson's tutelage, we've had diddly poo returns in the front 7 when it comes to UDFA & late round gems. We've had pretty much zero improvement year after year after year, and the exact same can be said with ST's.

Hiring another assistant isn't the answer. Getting rid of their *** and finding someone who knows what the **** he is doing is.

And Sean has refused to do that, and Benson is too past it to hold him accountable. Loomis used the "threat" of Sean leaving for the train wreck at SF to give Sean a 5 year raise. Why? Force that man to fire his buddies and hire coaches who will actually fix the front 7 and special teams.

Otherwise, we will continue to see Saints teams with a play-off caliper offense and enough talent on defense stay stuck in a damn 7-9 rut.

Its damn frustrating because who is holding Sean accountable? Who is holding both he and Loomis accountable for leading the year each year in dead money-- we already lead next year by a wide margin too? Who is going to hold them accountable for haphazardly trading draft picks to move up and draft ******* project developmental players when we need instant contributors? Or for the horrendous contracts given to FA's who don't ******* fit?

I don't want the man fired... he is an offensive genius. But I want him humbled and held accountable and forced to make the right decisions with his staff so this team stops making the same ******* stupid mistakes game after game year after year. I want the OCD dedicated to the job pre-year off Sean. And I want a GM known for scouting and talent evaluation. Loomis can manage all he wants, but we need someone who knows personnel. Maybe Ireland is that guy... but Miami sure as hell didn't think so.
 

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