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Okay the draft is finally over and now we can focus on the release of the NFL schedule then training camp. BTW shout out to the Carolina Panthers and their A+ draft. And now on to the grades:

1. Payton Turner: C- Marcus Davenport 2.0, we drafted what i hate the most in any player..........POTENTIAL!! I am hoping I'm wrong about him, I actually spent some more time researching him some more today and I came up with the same conclusion, we could have had him in the late 2nd round.

2. Pete Werner: B- Scott Shanle 2.0, nothing wrong with this pick except we could have gotten him lower, he is smart, good tackler, and rarely out of position. Just don't expect anything more than average and you won't be disappointed. Not the sideline to sideline backer I wanted. But Meh. Average.

3. Paulson Adebo: B+ I love the pick. Good but not great speed for a CB, enough twitch in his hips for the position, and a ballhawk. I knew the Saints were going to gift Kris Richard for coming over and now they have. Now finish this story off and go sign Richard Sherman.

4. Ian Book: C- Don't understand this pick one bit, but I can say this about every pick except Adebo. Not a fan of his arm strength, his balls float, and he has a tendency to just take off after going through his reads (something that he can teach Taysom Hill to do). If we drafted him with the intentions of him never starting and just holding a clipboard then B+ if we did expecting anything more shame on you.

5. Landon Young: B+ I like this pick alot. Some teams have a knack at drafting a certain position and getting it right everytime, when it comes to OL there is no one better than the Saints. This is a massive man that is not going to be asked to start or play right away and will get to learn from some of the best in the game. Awesome selection, Awesome pick. Go get'em big fella.

6. Kawaan Baker: C Meh. TQS 2.0, this a recurring theme. Ran a nice 40 at 4.43, when i watched his tape, I guessed 4.44. He played against subpar competition and put up subpar numbers......soooooo....Dollar store version TQS. I would have rather we drafted the Guard from Grambling. He is no threat to any WR currently on the roster, he is just TQS replacement when he leaves next offseason.
 
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Yeah, but you don't draft potential in the FIRST round, homey! Not even late first. And [Deleted by Mod - unnecessarily rude], at least pick a prime position of need.
We can all agree this is true, you should draft a #1 ready to come in and contribute right away.
 
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Werner is a much better athlete than Shanle was.

Shanle at the combine ran a 4.71 40, had a three-cone time of 7.27, had a vertical jump of 31, and had a broad jump of 111. His RAS was 6.79.

Werner at his pro day ran a 4.64 40, had a three-cone time of 6.95, had a vertical of 39.5, and had a broad jump of 122. His RAS is 9.49
Don’t interrupt a hate rant with facts
 

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We can all agree this is true, you should draft a #1 ready to come in and contribute right away.

What people are confusing is that this draft only had 14 or so true #1 options. Anything after that would be a reach to view as a #1. This guy was rapidly moving up the charts. He would have been gone in the first 10 picks in round 2. The Saints tried to trade up to get one of the real top tier guys but the price was too high. Kudos for not giving up the farm. Had they done so the hate would have been the same only different 😆
 
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Well thinking about it, it's great Payton really believes in his coaching staff and they have been able to help project players (no one expected to be great) turned into something great over the years under Payton. PT, Colston, Jahri Evans, Carl Nicks and Trey Hendrickson (we're not talking great even tho he had an amazing year last year and you could see the build up to it).

There may be more but I can't think of them. Some will prob say Jimmy Graham (I don't tho b/c he didn't prove it elsewhere) and Taysom Hill (verdict is still out on him as well b/c if he leaves will he be great somewhere else).

Some may even add MT and A. Kamara in terms of them being as great as they are now.

The thing is under Payton tho there is only one true Hall of Fame player and that's Drew even tho I'm sure Cam, MT and A. Kamara will be there one day. Jahri could be in there too. Heck, I still think Colston should be in there as well but we'll see.
 

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Potential. Project. If you aren't in the top half of the 1st, there's some reason the guys available didn't go high enough. Either they're scheme and fit dependent, play a less valued position, or have some other deficiency just major enough to warrant someone else not wanting him.
 

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No never, but I was the guy that said Marquez Calloway would be a good football player and didn't understand how he dropped to UDFA. I know what I'm doing.
My wife thinks she knows what she’s doing sometimes too! Doesn’t make her right though!
 

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Well, KDF, your write up reads like a Mel Kiper type of evaluation. Perfectly defensible and conventional, yet premature and probably wrong on multiple players (either under- or over-estimating their eventual impact). Here's hoping you're wrong on most of your player evals for this Saints draft!
 
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Agreed 100%.
Really discouraged after watching his tape. He looked like the slowest guy on the field vs Alabama.

And we selected him in the 2nd? Yikes
All of Ohio State looked slow against Alabama but yea, I’m hoping he fills that need as well
 

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um ok. And I give every pick an A. We will see who's right in about 2-3 years. Grading a draft the day after is such foolishness, it shows the grader doesn't understand football as much as they pretend to be an expert. It's silliness
 

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Okay the draft is finally over and now we can focus on the release of the NFL schedule then training camp. BTW shout out to the Carolina Panthers and their A+ draft. And now on to the grades:

1. Payton Turner: C- Marcus Davenport 2.0, we drafted what i hate the most in any player..........POTENTIAL!! I am hoping I'm wrong about him, I actually spent some more time researching him some more today and I came up with the same conclusion, we could have had him in the late 2nd round.

2. Pete Werner: B- Scott Shanle 2.0, nothing wrong with this pick except we could have gotten him lower, he is smart, good tackler, and rarely out of position. Just don't expect anything more than average and you won't be disappointed. Not the sideline to sideline backer I wanted. But Meh. Average.

3. Paulson Adebo: B+ I love the pick. Good but not great speed for a CB, enough twitch in his hips for the position, and a ballhawk. I knew the Saints were going to gift Kris Richard for coming over and now they have. Now finish this story off and go sign Richard Sherman.

4. Ian Book: C- Don't understand this pick one bit, but I can say this about every pick except Adebo. Not a fan of his arm strength, his balls float, and he has a tendency to just take off after going through his reads (something that he can teach Taysom Hill to do). If we drafted him with the intentions of him never starting and just holding a clipboard then B+ if we did expecting anything more shame on you.

5. Landon Young: B+ I like this pick alot. Some teams have a knack at drafting a certain position and getting it right everytime, when it comes to OL there is no one better than the Saints. This is a massive man that is not going to be asked to start or play right away and will get to learn from some of the best in the game. Awesome selection, Awesome pick. Go get'em big fella.

6. Kawaan Baker: C Meh. TQS 2.0, this a recurring theme. Ran a nice 40 at 4.43, when i watched his tape, I guessed 4.44. He played against subpar competition and put up subpar numbers......soooooo....Dollar store version TQS. I would have rather we drafted the Guard from Grambling. He is no threat to any WR currently on the roster, he is just TQS replacement when he leaves next offseason.
This is an excellent post for its type.

Did some homework, explained his reasons, changed one previous assessment based on a little more work.

Even if you don’t agree, don’t just throw a Falcon or a Goodell on it, make your points.

i see the concerns on Werner but I am a little more optimistic. Wife’s side of the family is all OSU so I see all their games. If your downside is Shanle 2.0, all he did was start every game for six-plus years and has the fifth most LB starts in franchise history (Jackson, Mills, Johnson, Federspiel) so that would be OK with me.

Peace everyone.
 

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You're joking, right? That's literally what a draft is. You're picking players to play professionally based off of COLLEGE TAPE. You have no idea how they'll play at the next level, hence all the measurements and tests they go through along the way - an educated guess at their ability at the next leve. It'll never be anything more than that.
The problem is that it was a first-round pick.

First-round draft picks should be used for STARTERS who should have immediate impact. Cam Jordan is still playing, and most puzzling of all, they just picked up Davenport's option. DE should not have been the position for our first pick, and definitely not for a guy who wasn't even the best DE on the board at the time.

Potential is fine for later rounds, and had we picked Turner in Round 2 or 3, I'd be happy as a clam. But you get one or two shots every year at getting an immediate impact player, and in my opinion, sacrificed that for a largely unproven guy who's not going to unseat the players we already have starting this year.
 

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