Me and you have had our differences in the past but these right here brought a tear to my eye. I scouted him a couple of days ago and got the same take on him verbatim. I am a LSU fan and their defense was trash last year, I don't want anybody from that defense but i would take Zach Braun (dude lives in the back field). Great Post my guy.I've watched him as well. Fast guy moving forward but the stinch of Stephone Anthony makes me weary of guys who are obviously hidden in the passing game. He's blitzed more often than not and doesn't appear to be a guy who can problem solve on the field - so they make it easy for him by saying - GO HUNT on arguably the most important down's in FB - 3rd down.
That is a huge red flag for me. I'd prefer Pat Queen - A guy you can see directing the defense on the field + sliding Anzalone over to the Sam spot (his college position) and strengthening the defense that way.
All the speed in the world don't mean anything if you go the wrong direction and take yourself out of the play before it starts.
I think I really like Zack Baun. He seems to fit the Jamie Collins/Clay Mathews mold of versatile LB I've always wanted for our defense. He seems like he can play alongside Davis, while also being a legitimate threat off the edge.Me and you have had our differences in the past but these right here brought a tear to my eye. I scouted him a couple of days ago and got the same take on him verbatim. I am a LSU fan and their defense was trash last year, I don't want anybody from that defense but i would take Zach Braun (dude lives in the back field). Great Post my guy.
I’m totally in on thisMy idea is the sign Clay Matthews (8 sacks last yr) and draft Justin Jefferson in rd 1, CB rd3, LB rd4, BPA final 2 draft picks. Just picturing Clay Matthews rushing the passer next to Cam Jordan makes your secondary alot better and the offense would not stale anymore. With all the weapons now when AK41 lines up at WR he will have LBs and Safeties on him again instead on CB2/3s. You become dare i say a COMPLETE TEAM. *EXHALES*
Yah but our team never drafts guys like this ever. Let bud dupree go one year. Coulda been the peat yr maybeI think I really like Zack Baun. He seems to fit the Jamie Collins/Clay Mathews mold of versatile LB I've always wanted for our defense. He seems like he can play alongside Davis, while also being a legitimate threat off the edge.
We just went after Jamie Collins in free agency. Collins and Chris Harris Jr are the two big names we didn't land. If they had a place for Collins on the defense, then Baun should fit in just fine.Yah but our team never drafts guys like this ever. Let bud dupree go one year. Coulda been the peat yr maybe
How is Murray being similar to Davis a problem? Davis is one of the best players on the team. I'd take 3 Davis' if I could get itLinebacker may be the priority as we speak right now. So it's worth to take a look a the prospects.
I love Murray and would not be mad if we take him, the only problem is that he is very similar to Davis. Maybe we need a bigger man to play the SAM.
And according to Daniel Jeremiah, Zach Baun of Wisconsin can do well everything that Kyle Van Noy does. He actually thinks he is ideally the best pick for the patriots.
I wonder if he would not be a better option to replace Klein. He is bigger then Murray, he can blitz and cover.
Sounds like you described Stephon Anthony....he was the same way.I've watched a few game tapes on Murray... he's a guy I'm not sold on. I question the Play diagnosing, and Instinct side of his game. Yes he's explosive, and fast going in a straight line... and he's a heat seeking missile tracking down a Running back right in front of him... but his aggressiveness led him to over-pursue and overrun a lot of plays as well; and he's also not great laterally, change of direction wise.
Also he has questionable Coverage skills, he has 0 career Interceptions, and only 6 Pass Defenses in 3 seasons as a starter, playing in the Big 12 where they pass a lot.
If we're dead-set to go Linebacker in Round 1 I'd prefer Patrick Queen, even though he has less starting experience I think he has a more natural feel for the position and better instincts.
I was recently turned on to Baun and he fits a rookie Von Miller type player. Base Sam - 3rd down rusher/sub rusher. I like him...plays nasty but also looks good in spacePretty much agree 100. Just to add to the problem solving point, I don't know if this was because of Oklahoma's Defensive scheme but he mostly exclusively keyed on focusing on the QB, and RB (Backfield) entirely in pre-snap and post-snap.... he never really showed the consistent ability to Read Offensive Line blocking schemes, to read a pulling Guard, or wide zone or split flow zone concepts. Which is why he will most likely struggle in year 1 if you're Drafting him and asking him to take over as a starting MIKE and direct the Defense right away as a Rookie.
It's funny that you brought up Stephone Anthony.. that was two NFL Scouts direct comp for Murray; people forget how explosive Anthony was at Clemson playing a straight line.. it was the instincts, and coverage awareness part of the game that he never fully developed.
Which is why I would be wary to take Murray late 1st, I see him as more of a 2nd rounder in terms of his polish.
I prefer Queen but If the Saints were interested in Jamie Collins, a guy with a similar skillset that has been mentioned is Zach Baun who could be a stand-up SAM in base downs, and give you edge rush versatility on 3rd downs.
A guy not a lot of people are talking about is Wyoming, Linebacker Logan Wilson. The Saints have dipped into the Wyoming program recently with (Granderson) Wilson was a 3 year Defensive captain, and his best trait is play diagnosing. He really shows a lot of natural ability to play the Linebacker position, he reads plays between the tackles consistently and shows really good flow and gap discipline to mirror rushers and not get out of his gap to give them cutback opportunities. I really was reminded of Leighton Vander-Esch when watching Wilson. I think he can be your true MIKE option, and he's probably there in Round 3.
Common thread I've seen in a lot of the reports and even in the handful of vids I've watched is he isn't always the fastest to react. Both can run almost any play down. But Queen reads and reacts better. And seems to be better in coverage.The more I watch Murray and queen I’ll take queen. He reminds me of Vilma